Indestructible vs Dismember
Asked by ZionZaiyer 13 years ago
I have a deck called ramped-up-pls-comment and another player has commented on my deck stating that Predator Ooze does not lose to Dismember. Now I've always thought Dismember won because it's not dealing damage it's just giving -5/-5. Have I been wrong all this time, or is this other play wrong?
Im assuming so' cause during the clean up-step that the noticeable lethal damage is check'd an taken within priority to place the creature into the graveyard'...
February 12, 2012 5:04 p.m.
if not placed' into the graveyard do to state-based actions'
February 12, 2012 5:07 p.m.
You are right. The Ooze goes to the graveyard as a state-based action.
704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, its put into its owners graveyard. Regeneration cant replace this event.
-X/-X is not a destruction effect so Indestructibility doesn't do anything here.
February 12, 2012 5:15 p.m.
KorApprentice says... Accepted answer #5
From the MTG Comprehensive Rulebook:
704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, its put into its owners graveyard. Regeneration cant replace this event.
700.4. If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects cant destroy it. (See rule 701.6, Destroy.) Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based action (see rule 704.5g). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or exiled.
olowleye, state-based actions are checked whenever a player would receive priority, not exclusively during the clean-up step. The state-based action that places a creature in the graveyard if it has toughness 0 or less does not 'destroy' that creature. It does exactly what it implies, so this is a viable way to 'kill' indestructible creatures.
February 12, 2012 5:27 p.m.
That's what i had figured was a state-based action case' after a second' thought' an had assumed' the indestructible ability to be dealt with at clean up if so'..
Though' you along with BigBruce clarified the correction of that quite nicely'...appreciate that brotha'
olowleye says... #1
If a creature' P/T is anything below x/1..an is ..x/0 or lower' then that creature' will die an resolve in the graveyard unless another card states otherwise.
February 12, 2012 4:55 p.m.