If I had Mirrorworks in the battlefield and I cast Everflowing Chalice paying the kicker cost once, would the Everflowing Chalice token generated from Mirrorworks have the charge counter as well ?
Asked by rushtowait 14 years ago
If I had Mirrorworks in the battlefield and I cast Everflowing Chalice paying the kicker cost once, would the Everflowing Chalice token generated from Mirrorworks have the charge counter as well ?
Yes, when you copy the Everflowing Chalice you copy it's atributes and, in this case, it's how many times it was kicked, as this cost is payed at casting and not at entering.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original objects characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by as . . . enters the battlefield and as . . . is turned face up abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
March 18, 2011 11:38 p.m.
rushtowait says... #3
Hmm I see. One more thing though; you could use Mirrorworks 's ability multiple times per nontoken artifact that enter the battlefield yes ?
March 18, 2011 11:39 p.m.
No. Mirrorworks triggers once per artifact that enters the battlefield. There's some rule about triggered abilities only activating once per event that triggers them, too lazy to look it up.
Also, Tezz, from the rule you posted, kicker is only copied for an object on the stack. Since Chalice has to enter the battlefield for Mirrorworks to trigger, whether it was kicked or not is no longer a copiable value.
March 18, 2011 11:42 p.m.
Actually I totally missed the final part of the rule, that states no counters copied. So no luck on those counters for the Chalice. I had a feeling that something was a bit off, but yeah I'm half asleep typing anyway.
March 18, 2011 11:52 p.m.
Sorry about that here's the rule on the (non)repeat triggering to make it up.
603.2c An ability triggers only once each time its trigger event occurs. However, it can trigger repeatedly if one event contains multiple occurrences. See also rule 509.4.
Siegfried says... Accepted answer #1
I don't believe so. In general copy effects only copy what is actually printed on the card. In this case, that means a 0 cost artifact with "tap: add 1 to your mana pool for each charge counter on Everflowing Chalice". The token's ability to enter the battlefield with charge counters on it never triggers, because it was never kicked, because it was never cast.
If you were copying it as a spell it could enter with charge counters, since the kicker is part of Chalice's characteristics while it is on the stack. But as far as I'm aware, once Chalice enters the battlefield it loses all memory of whether it was kicked or not.
March 18, 2011 11:37 p.m.