How much will I heal/mill with Ondu Cleric/Halimar Excavator if I play Join The Ranks?
Asked by Xodiax 12 years ago
Will I heal/mill for 6? or 12?
And what will happen if I have two Ondu Cleric or Halimar Excavator on the field?
I'm not really familiar with the rulings about triggered abilities which trigger when 2 or more things enter simultaneously.
Although, some of my friends told me that I would heal/mill for 12 but I;m still not sure and just wanna be clarified.
DancesWithGoblins says... #2
As far as I know, the tokens both trigger them:
First token comes in: You mill/gain 3, twice.
Second token comes in: You mill/gain 4, twice.
May 10, 2013 2:08 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
Ondu Cleric and Halimar Excavator will trigger once for each token put onto the battlefield by Join the Ranks , but those triggers won't be put onto the stack until after Join the Ranks is completely finished resolving. When those triggers resolve they'll use information about the game right now to determine the size of the effect (if they cared about what the game looked like before now, the ability would be written differently to make that clear). If the Cleric, Excavator, and tokens are your only Allies then for each trigger resolving you gain 4 life and mill 4 cards, a total of 12 on each.
May 10, 2013 2:09 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
Argh, I mistyped and got the math wrong. A total of 8 on each, not 12.
May 10, 2013 2:10 p.m.
On one hand, you're right - they do enter simultaneously. Thus, suppose you have an Ondu Cleric and a Halimar Excavator and cast Join the Ranks .
The Join the Ranks resolves and puts two Allies onto the battlefield at the same time.
Both Ondu Cleric and Halimar Excavator trigger twice. When they resolve, each ability counts the number of allies you control when the ability resolves. Assuming nothing else affects the board state, this means that each instance of the cleric's ability will gain you 4 life (since you control 4 allies) twice, and you will get to mill a target player for 4 twice, for a total of 8 life and 8 cards milled.
May 10, 2013 2:22 p.m.
I have one more follow up question.
Instead of casting Join the Ranks , what will happen if I cast Ghostly Flicker
May 10, 2013 2:40 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
It would be a lot easier to answer that question if I knew exactly what you were targeting with Ghostly Flicker , but I'm going to guess it's 1 Ondu Cleric and 1 Halimar Excavator and that they're your only creatures.
They'll enter the battlefield at the same time, and each will trigger once for themselves (because they say they do) and once for the other (because things that enter the battlefield at the same time can see each other). You'll get 2 triggers each of 2 life and 2 mill, for a total of 4 life and 4 mill.
agGravity says... Accepted answer #1
Join the Ranks for reference
Both ETB will trigger at the same time and will resolve separately.
The 2 tokens will see each other entering the battlefield so you'll have a total of 4 ally for the resolution of the spell.
So overall you'll have 2 effect for each Ondu Cleric you have. You will actually gain 16 life.
May 10, 2013 2:08 p.m.