How does Grave Betrayal Vs. Undying work?
Asked by benosmash 11 years ago
Player One has Grave Betrayal in play. Player Two has creatures with Undying that haven't died yet (Lets say Butcher Ghoul ).
One of the undying creatures dies. As I understand it, Undying returns the creature to the battlefield right away with a +1/+1 counter, so my assumption would be that Undying trumps Grave Betrayal . It seems to me that the effect of Grave Betrayal could happen when the creature doesn't come back into play. Is this logic correct?Is it possible that Grave Betrayal takes creatures that have already been put back on the battlefield, and gives them to the controller of the enchantment?
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
@Devonin: That answer would be perfect if Grave Betrayal 's ability returned the triggering creature to the battlefield immediately. What Grave Betrayal actually does is it sets up a delayed triggered ability that will return the creature to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.
Therefore, it doesn't matter how the triggers resolve. Grave Betrayal won't return the creature either way because the DTA would trigger after undying has resolved and grabbed the creature.
Devonin says... #1
It depends on when the creature dies.
When multiple triggers try to fire off at the same time, they are put onto the stack in APNAP order, with multiple triggers controlled by one player ordered however they want.
So if your undying creature dies on -their- turn, their trigger will go on the stack first, and yours will go onto the stack on top. Yours will resolve, returning the creature to the battlefield under your control, and then theirs will do nothing, since the creature is no longer in the graveyard.
Conversely, if the undying creature dies on -your- turn, Undying will trigger first and then Grave Betrayal, which will resolve first, returning the creature to their control, and then Undying will do nothing for the same reason.
January 17, 2014 2:43 p.m.