How do +1/+1 counters interact with Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker's dragon form?

Asked by Khansolo 10 years ago

I am using Ajani, Mentor of Heroes with a Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker. If I were to activate Sarkhan's +1 ability to turn him into a creature, followed by Ajani's +1 to place 3 +1/+1 counters onto Sarkhan, at end of turn do those counters remain as he transitions back into planeswalker form?

Gather states he does not lose loyalty counters as a dragon, but not the inverse.

Devonin says... Accepted answer #1

The counters would stay on him, but would cease to -do- anything unless or until he became a creature again. Counters aren't removed from cards unless something says they will be.

If you cast Sarkhan, activated his +1 ability and then activated Ajani's +1 ability targeting the creature form of Sarkhan, you'd have a 7/7 dragon version of Sarkhan. When you ended your turn, you'd be left with a Planeswalker Sarkhan, with 5 loyalty counters, and 3 +1/+1 counters which wouldn't do anything until he became a creature again.

December 14, 2014 10:18 a.m.

pskinn01 says... #2

Enchantments and equipment fall off of anything that is not a creature as a state based action. There is no state based action which removes counters from anything.

So you could give an activated Mutavault +1/+1 counters and they would also remain.

Counters of any kind only care what the permanent type is, when they are being placed on them. What they become afterwords, or if they have any effect is irrelevant to the counter. And counters only effect permanents of the correct type, so +1/+1 counters only have an effect on creatures.

December 14, 2014 10:30 a.m.

Khansolo says... #3

Thanks guys. I assumed that was the case but wanted to clarify so when i take the deck to FNM I don't make a jerk of myself.

December 14, 2014 10:32 a.m.

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