Exiling Obzedat
Asked by CaveShinobi 11 years ago
So, as we all know by now, Obzedat, Ghost Council can be revived by Whip of Erebos , exiled at the end of turn and then return. If I understand this well, it's because when we place all EoT triggers on the stack, we also place the delayed trigger regarding Obzedat's return. Since the ability doesn't care of what exiled him, as long as the delayed trigger is in place it'll always come back, right?
So, here's the question: if someone uses Selesnya Charm in response to the EoT trigger of Obzedat, does it return? If not, why?
megawurmple says... Accepted answer #2
In the first example, Obzedat, Ghost Council is exiled by his own ability, not the Whip's, which is why that works. With Selesnya Charm however, the Charm resolves first and exiles him before his ability resolves. Therefore, his ability isn't what exiles him, and the delayed trigger caused by his ability doesn't trigger at the beginning of your next upkeep.
March 16, 2014 3:45 p.m.
GreatSword says... #3
It won't come back if someone exiles it with Selesnya Charm .
The delayed trigger is set up only when Obzedat, Ghost Council 's own ability resolves. It isn't set up when Ghost Daddy is exiled for other reason. The delayed trigger doesn't go on the stack until the beginning of the controlling player's turn, as a result of his own ability resolving and exiling himself.
The reason why Whip of Erebos works is, yes because of proper trigger-stack, but also because the Whip will only exile the creature if goes anywhere 'else'. If the creature is going to exile anyway, the whip won't do anything.
March 16, 2014 3:49 p.m.
CaveShinobi says... #4
Alright, I think I understand where my doubt was. I was forgetting that Whip of Erebos 's effect was a replacement effect, hence why it worked. Thanks for the help!
March 16, 2014 3:51 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Well, Whip of Erebos 's ability establishes both a replacement effect and a delayed triggered ability. You still have to stack Obzedat, Ghost Council 's ability above the DTA, but Obzedat, Ghost Council 's ability evades the replacement effect because it exiles, and the replacement effect only cares about exile.
Epochalyptik says... #1
You're incorrect about Obzedat, Ghost Council 's ability. Obzedat, Ghost Council will only return to the battlefield if it was exiled by its own ability. If it is exiled or removed from the battlefield by another effect, then Obzedat, Ghost Council 's own ability won't be able to exile it and establish the delayed triggered ability that returns it.
Therefore, Obzedat, Ghost Council can only return if the ability that exiled it was its own. If it is exiled by Whip of Erebos or Selesnya Charm , then it won't return.
March 16, 2014 3:44 p.m.