Exiling a Lord creature that is pumping another attacking creature during declare attackers phase.
Asked by Ryotenchi 8 years ago
Lets say there is 2 Lord of Atlantis in play.
The player whose turn it is and who has priority, has entered the declare attackers phase and declares that both merfolk will attack.
I then Path to Exile one of the lords leaving the other unpumped for both the declared blockers and damage steps... OR!!
As this player claims, The remaining creature is still pumped up by the damage dealt step (Which is illogical in my head.. the source of the pump is gone..) and spouts off something about damage on the stack..
Since I didnt start playing a great deal more often til after that change was made... I feel that this player is just trying to confuse me.
Is his creature somehow still pumped just because it was before he declared attackers?
(I wouldn't think Id have to ask something this simple... However, Im highly likely to quit due to the nature of players attempting to redefine the rules in their favor.. Though I want to make sure that this is another instance of it.. I scooped after he called the judge to slow the match down to a tie..)
Thats what I thought! >.< Not that I was expecting the other answer...
I should have asked the judge to rule on that... even though hes about my only friend at that shop and I didnt want it to turn into a favoritism spat..
Think Im done with my LGS(who are not at fault themselves). There are 4 players who show up every FNM and do this stuff.. Just sick of not getting to play a game fairly against the non casuals and the only people I can win against without a huge amount of stress being casuals I feel bad stomping.. :(
Thanx canterlotguardian.
August 2, 2015 8:15 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #3
Lord of Atlantis's ability only functions while Lord of Atlantis is on the battlefield. The buff ends the exact moment that Lord of Atlantis leaves the battlefield.
"Damage on the stack" was a phenomenon that was removed from the game back in the Tenth Edition rules update. When combat damage used the stack, players could enter the combat damage step, assign damage on the stack, and then cast spells or activate abilities before combat damage was actually dealt. Even when damage used the stack, destroying or otherwise removing a buff prior to the combat damage step would negate its impact on damage.
Note that this is all different for triggered abilities such as that of Accorder Paladin. Triggered and activated abilities exist independently of their sources, and they'll continue to apply once they resolve; destroying or removing their sources doesn't affect the abilities themselves.
To your last statement, I'm sorry to hear that rules issues are common for you. But I wouldn't necessarily say that everyone wants to redefine the rules in their favor; some people are legitimately unsure of the rules or may have learned them incorrectly from other people. Whenever a rules dispute occurs, remember that the primary concern is reaching the correct conclusion, not proving who's right or wrong and not assessing the other player's intent in presenting a contrary view. It's an educational moment, not a fight.
The best thing you can do is brush up on the rules yourself; MTGS has useful breakdowns for the rules on many of its wiki articles. If you know the rules, you can explain the situation to other players, recognize when players are playing incorrectly, and even become a judge or a rules adviser yourself!
canterlotguardian says... #1
Damage on the stack no longer exists. As soon as the Path finished exiling, State-Based Actions would have been checked, and since the Lord effect was no longer in play, the bonus would no longer have applied to his creature(s).
August 2, 2015 8:07 p.m.