Enchantments that gain control

Asked by koylucumert 7 years ago

So lets say i have a creature and my opponent Control Magics it. Then i tap homeward path to gain control all creatures i own. What happens? Do i get the creature or does my opponent keep the control of tbhe creature because the enchantment is still on and it reads"you control enchanted creature". A second question is what happens when more than one player control magics the same creature

Schuesseled says... Accepted answer #1

You would regain control, when effects overwrite each other you go by the last one to take effect.

Same to your second question.

June 15, 2017 3:51 a.m.

chosenone124 says... #2

Homeward Path and Control Magic are unfortunately worded. Let me describe how these cards work in terms of the continuous effect layer system.

Control Magic applies a layer to the enchanted creature that reads "The controller of Control Magic controls this creature, as long as Control Magic enchants this creature".

Homeward Path applies a layer to all creatures on the battlefield that reads "The owner of this creature controls this creature.

According to 613.2, all continuous control effects (all effects in layer 2) apply in timestamp order. So in determining a card's controller, first we apply the Control Magic layer, then we apply the Homeward Path layer. Since Homeward Path's layer is last, it overrides all layers beneath it.

If there are multiple layers of Control Magic, they also apply in timestamp order. The last control affecting effect to hit the creature takes precedence over all others.

Fun fact: the Homeward Path layer is not removable from a game object. Every time you tap Homeward Path, all creature permanents gain another layer of Homeward Path. They retain this layer as long as they exist.

June 16, 2017 1:28 a.m. Edited.

Epochalyptik says... #3

From a technical perspective, layers are part of a hierarchy describing the ordering of continuous effects (e.g., control effects apply in layer 2, while type changing effects apply in layer 4).

Individual continuous effects do not create layers. The layers are part of this hierarchy of effects. Individual continuous effects do, however, have "time stamps," which represent the point in time at which they were created.

Continuous effects that apply in the same layer are applied in time stamp order, meaning they are applied in the order in which those effects were created. Typically, this means that the newest effect will be applied last and, if they conflict with previous effects, will take precedence over previous previous effects.

There are exceptions, such as if one continuous effect's outcome is dependent upon whether another effect is applied first (dependencies). You can read more about all this here.

June 16, 2017 9:18 a.m.