Does Notion Thief stack?
Asked by JasonMB 12 years ago
If you have 2 in play, do you get 2x cards for each one your opponent would draw?
And I know based on gatherer rules, if both you and opponent have one in play they cancel each other, but what if you have 2 and your opponent has 1? I think that the responding player puts one or both replacement triggers on stack and then the first player's replacement would go on stack. So still just canceling.
Gatherer rules errata says: If you and an opponent each control a Notion Thief, the replacement effects generated by their abilities will essentially cancel each other out. If the opponent would draw a card other than the first of his or her draw step, that draw will be skipped and you'll draw a card. The opponent's Notion Thief will then cause that draw to be skipped and the opponent will draw a card instead. Neither replacement effect can apply to this event again, so your opponent draws a card.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #2
If more than one replacement effect could apply to an event, the affected player or controller of the affected object decides which one of them to apply. If any of the other effects could now apply to the modified event, then you go through the same process. If none of the other effects could now apply to the modified event, then they're ignored.
In your example, having multiple copies of Notion Thief under your control does nothing special. The replacement effect of one of them will replace your opponent's draw, and then there's no opponent's draw for the other effect to be applied to.
October 8, 2013 5:21 p.m.
Notion Thief has a replacement effect.
If you control 4 Notion Thief s and your opponent plays a Divination (after having drawn his card in his draw step) each of the four Notion Thief s will try to replace those two draws with it's replacement. Whichever Notion Thief 's replacement effect resolves first will draw you the card, and the rest will fizzle/not be relevant. The same is true for the second draw off of Divination .
The two against one will work similarly to the one against one, I'm assuming.
October 8, 2013 5:22 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
@Sam_I_am: One player having more Thieves than the other does matter. If player A has 2 and player B has 1, then the following sequence is possible: B is about to draw a card, but then one of A's Thieves is applied; since A is about to draw a card, B's Thief is applied; since B is about to draw a card, the other of A's Thieves is applied; A draws a card.
October 8, 2013 5:24 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
Sorry, I missed that part of the original question.
Sam_I_am says... #1
Notion Thief 's ability is a replacement effect, it does not trigger. It does not use the stack.
There's no difference between having 1 and 1 million.
if you have 2 and your opponent has 1, it's as though you both had 1.
October 8, 2013 5:19 p.m.