Volcanic Offering and copy effects?
Asked by Izzet_Planeswalker 6 years ago
If i cast Volcanic Offering and copy it with and an effect out another card like Riku of Two Reflections would I get to choose all 4 targets of the copied card?
The simple answer is No. nothing about this card or Riku (or any basic copy mechanic) would give you all 4 choices.
Both the original and the copy read the same. "You pick one, than an opponent picks one. Neither pick can be under your control."
The long answer (and play through):You cast the original, choosing valid targets- You pick Land A of player 3, then ask player 2 to pick, he picks Land B of player 3. Then you pick creature A of player 3, then ask player 2 to pick, he picks Creature A as well.
Then you use Riku to copy the spell. The copy goes on the stack and you, again choose valid targets. For the most value, you wouldnt choose the same land twice- So you choose land C of player 3, then ask player 2 to pick, and he picks Land D of player C. Then you choose creature B of player 3 and ask player 2 to pick, he picks creature A of player 3 (again.).
Now things resolve. First, the copy happens, 2 lands pop and creature A and B both receive 7 damage.Then, assuming creature A was strong enough to survive, the original happens. Two more lands pop and creature A takes 14 more damage (grand total of 21).If creature A had been less than a 0/7, he would already be dead, and that part of the spell would no longer have a valid target and no longer happen. The lands would still die.
April 4, 2018 4:16 p.m.
Ahh, I think Rhadamanthus has the right of this. Riku does have a replacement effect. Ignore my other response.
April 4, 2018 4:32 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
It's not a replacement effect, it's just a special instruction you're given when casting the spell. It's addressed in the following rule:
601.4. Some spells specify that one of their controller's opponents does something the controller would normally do while it's being cast, such as choose a mode or choose targets. In these cases, the opponent does so when the spell's controller normally would do so.
Since you're not casting the spell again when making the copy, the casting instruction doesn't apply. You just follow the instructions given in the copy effect.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1
Yes, you do. Though the original Volcanic Offering says your opponent chooses some of the targets, you only follow those instructions when you're actually casting the spell. For Riku's copy effect, you instead follow the instructions given there and choose the new targets yourself.
April 4, 2018 4:15 p.m.