Can I stack triggers and attack using Scion of the Ur-Dragon and the FRF Dragons
Asked by Necrotize 9 years ago
That title is kinda weird, was trying to keep it short so I'll elaborate here. What I want to do is declare an attack with Scion, in response to declaring that attack I activate his ability twice. When the first resolves I turn him into one of the FRF dragons such as Atarka, World Render. Then the second resolves and I turn him into something else. Did he gain double strike from becoming Atarka as I attacked?
Please link all cards in your question: Scion of the Ur-Dragon
First of all, you can't respond to an attack - if anything, you can respond to a trigger caused by a creature attacking. Either way, all creatures are declared attacking at once, and nothing can happen while that's going on.
That means your Scion would need to be a copy of Atarka before being declared as an atttacker in order for Atarka's ability to trigger, and also while being declared as an attacker, meaning you won't get to use the ability in the way you're trying to here.
January 18, 2015 11:52 a.m.
hyperlocke says... #3
Please link all cards in your question. Scion of the Ur-Dragon
To give the Scion Double Strike, it has to be a copy of Atarka, World Render before you attack with it. You can't activate the Scion's ability "in response to declaring that attack", because declaring an attack doesn't use the stack.
If you want to have Akara's Double Strike ability, you won't be able to turn the Scion into another Dragon in combat.
508.1. First, the active player declares attackers. This turn-based action doesnt use the stack. [...]
508.2a Abilities that trigger on a creature attacking trigger only at the point the creature is declared as an attacker. They will not trigger if a creature attacks and then that creatures characteristics change to match the abilitys trigger condition.
January 18, 2015 11:58 a.m.
Ahh apologies for not linking Scion, never posted here before.
But that is unfortunate, kinda limits the usefulness of the FRF dragons in the deck I was planning. Anyway, thank you for the quick answers.
January 18, 2015 12:01 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #6
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Yeah, the FRF dragons are not really suited as targets for the Scion's ability. But they are great to run beside it (especially Akara).
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
Link all cards in your question.
Scion of the Ur-Dragon
No, because it didn't become anything as it attacked.
Declaring attackers is a turn-based action that happens as soon as the declare attackers step begins. Players don't have priority while the active player is declaring attackers. Once attackers have been declared, players are free to cast spells and activate abilities. However, this is past the trigger event for Atarka, World Render's ability. Abilities that trigger "when [creature] attacks" trigger when that creature is declared as an attacker. That means the ability needs to exist when the declare attackers step begins.
If you wanted to get the ability to trigger, you would need to copy Atarka, World Render during the beginning of combat step.
January 18, 2015 11:47 a.m.