Can I Dredge the card I'm sac'ing?
Asked by DocRemedy 12 years ago
If I sacrifice Golgari Thug to Grim Backwoods , will he hit the graveyard in time to trigger his dredge ability from the backwoods? How about with the spell Dredge ?
@abdulbaqr: That's the point. Dredge is activated from the Graveyard. So yes, you'd be able to Dredge him back with that.
November 26, 2012 1:39 p.m.
yeah i re-read that and realized that i was retarded. ignore my last.
November 26, 2012 1:40 p.m.
It works with Grim Backwoods because sacrificing is part of the cost and when you draw the card Golgari Thug is on your graveyard. But with Dredge that's not the case, sacrificing and drawing are part of the spell's effect.
November 26, 2012 1:52 p.m.
Actually, wouldn't the first part of Dredge be performed, causing you to sacrifice Golgari Thug , then potentially drawing a card, being able to now use Golgari Thug 's Dredge ability? As sacrificing is not a SBA like dealing lethal damage, doesn't the removal of the creature happen immediately?
November 26, 2012 1:59 p.m.
I agree with Antebios. It's all part of the spell and while it's on the stack, the creature sac and card draw have not happened. Then it resolves and both happen, so the creature is not in the graveyard when you draw.
With Grim Backwoods , you pay the cost and place the ability of drawing a card on the stack. So the creature goes to the graveyard as already mentioned before the ability of drawing a card resolves.
November 26, 2012 2:20 p.m.
From the official MtG rulings:
607.2c The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written. However,replacement effects may modify these actions.
Wouldn't this mean that, following written card order, Golgari Thug is sacced, allowing the Dredge ability to occur?
November 26, 2012 2:32 p.m.
I imagine drakanar is right. Dredge puts the sacrificed creature / land into the graveyard as part of the effect followed by a card draw. In that case Golgari Thug 's ability would allow you to replace the draw effect.
November 26, 2012 2:38 p.m.
drakanar is correct. When Dredge begins to resolve, you first sacrifice a creature or land. If you choose a creature with the Dredge mechanic to sacrifice, then it is in the graveyard when you are instructed to draw a card. You may replace the act of drawing with Dredge.
abdulbaqr says... #1
no, by the time the Grim Backwoods resolves, the Golgari Thug is already dead and you can't use his ability from the graveyard.
November 26, 2012 1:36 p.m.