Are token creatures converted mana cost 0?
Asked by UaWPaW 12 years ago
My opponent played Gather the Townsfolk can i play Disembowel and pay only the required swamp to kill one of the token creatures?
:O thanks for that Ratchet Bomb suggestion cause I've been trying to beat this annoying token deck
October 13, 2012 8:02 a.m.
Finally found it... Something was bugging me about it and it seems like we were just a little wrong about this matter :P
202.1b Some objects have no mana cost. This normally includes all land cards, any other cards that have no mana symbols where their mana cost would appear, tokens (unless the effect that creates them specifies otherwise), and nontraditional Magic cards. Having no mana cost represents an unpayable cost (see rule 117.6). Note that lands are played without paying any costs (see rule 305, Lands).
If i get it right - token that represents "a copy" of creature (like with Mimic Vat ) which have mana cost will have that same mana cost.
October 13, 2012 8:14 a.m.
OrgasmAndTea says... #5
I don't think that's correct Galed. Tokens have CMC zero unless specified otherwise, so all tokens are CMC zero unless it specifically says 'this token's CMC is two' or whatever.
October 13, 2012 8:41 a.m.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original objects characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by as . . . enters the battlefield and as . . . is turned face up abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
What do you say now?
October 13, 2012 8:59 a.m.
GoblinsInc says... #7
Galed is correct. Tokens made by things such as mimic vat are copies of something (here they are copies of the exiled card). As such, the token has the CMC of the object it copied. A token which is not copying anything has a CMC of 0.
October 13, 2012 10:14 a.m.
OrgasmAndTea says... #8
I see, so a token that's a copy of a creature has the CMC of that creature, whereas a token that's generated from say card:Coursers' Accord has CMC zero?
October 13, 2012 12:04 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #9
Yes. card:Coursers' Accord doesn't define a mana cost for the Centaur token, so it doesn't have one.
Galed says... #1
Yes. Token's mana cost is allways 0.
October 13, 2012 7:53 a.m.