What would YOU do
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Posted on Nov. 7, 2015, 11:11 p.m. by EmblemMan
So I went to a PPTQ today and get to the finals. Never been to a PTQ and I wanted to go just to say I have won a PPTQ and gone. My opponent really wanted to go and so he offered me basically all of the first and second place prizes for the invite and the prizes equated to 100 cash and 108 store credit. I said yes whoever wins gets the invite and the second place person gets the other stuff and we played. I could tell he wanted it and I was not confident in my ability to be able to do well at the PTQ (even though he wasn't much better) so during the match I just conceded and gave him it because I wanted the money and figured I would be a good guy. So I am curious knowing your opponent wants the invite and you get alot of money what would you do in that situation.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #3
Uh, I'm pretty sure that's collusion. So, not that.
November 7, 2015 11:20 p.m.
it was not collusion a judge was standing next to us while he offered a split bargain
November 7, 2015 11:25 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #5
I mean, from what you said, it seems like he was offering his prizes if you let him win. That seems like collusion to me. I dunno, man.
November 7, 2015 11:31 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
It is not nearly collusion. Directly from 5.2 of the tournament rules:
Players are allowed to share prizes they have not yet received in the current tournament as they wish and may agree as such before or during their match, as long as any such sharing does not occur in exchange for any game or match result or the dropping of a player from the tournament. As an exception, players in the announced last round of the single-elimination portion of a tournament may agree to divide tournament prizes as they wish.
November 7, 2015 11:34 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #7
"As long as such sharing does not occur in exchange for any game or match result."
Does the invite count as "prizes?" I guess so? So you can throw the last game if your opponent offers you everything? Seems crooked, but I guess.
November 8, 2015 12:19 a.m. Edited.
JakeHarlow says... #8
Yeah, sorry, that is collusion. I guess it worked out though because the judge staff was cool with it for some reason...
Some very high-profile DQ's have happened at major events because of just such things. I'd recommend against this type of stuff in the future, and I also recommend caution moving forward.
November 8, 2015 1:35 a.m.
just conceding right away makes it look bad, but splitting the winnings of a ptq with invite to winner and all other prizes to 2nd is quite common. Now I would definitely have played that match to the end, just because stakes on about that level usually pushes a match to be it's most fun possible.
November 8, 2015 2:49 a.m.
Wizard_of_the_Broke says... #10
I think it might be kosher because they were the only remaining players, and so the agreement doesn't affect any third party. Here's an excerpt from the DCI rules, taken from an article on collusion written by a judge:
"Splitting a prize in exchange for concession is only permitted in the final match of the single-elimination portion of a tournament (this means there are only two players remaining in the entire event). It is not permitted at any time in Swiss-only tournaments. Offering to split a prize in exchange for concession must be done in the presence of a judge. A prize-split agreement in exchange for concession must involve only the prizes associated with the first- and second-place prizes. A player may not introduce any incentives other than the prizes associated with the tournament."
I couldn't figure out when this article was written, but it looks like it's from before 2010. This might be the relevant current language in DCI rules: "As an exception, players in the announced last round of the single-elimination portion of a tournament may agree to divide tournament prizes as they wish. In that case, one of the players at each table must agree to drop from the tournament. Players are then awarded prizes according to their resulting ranking"
Damn. That last excerpt was from DCI rules in February 2014. Anyone have a link to the absolute most current documents?
November 8, 2015 3:15 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #11
The last sentence of the text I quoted was "As an exception, players in the announced last round of the single-elimination portion of a tournament may agree to divide tournament prizes as they wish." Do I need to add bold for emphases. I thought everyone here would have the attention span to read 2 sentences without giving up halfway through. Here is the most recent version of the tournament rules. It no longer contains the word "collusion" but 5.2 is the passage on bribery that used to be titled "Bribery and Collusion".
November 8, 2015 5:22 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #12
To actually answer the question asked. I would probably take the deal in a heartbeat. I have no want to play in a PTQ just to say I have. I also figure if one are playing at the level that one belongs in a PTQ then the performance in a PPTQ should be repeatable until an invite is procured.
Epochalyptik says... #2
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November 7, 2015 11:20 p.m.