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enpc - Ya I know, the combo is to draw exactly all my library.. And exactly not one more into an empty library. Then Windfalling, which still wouldn't mill me out, just have my whole deck in my hand again. Ultimately make my opponents loose at the beggining of their next draw step if nothing happens ideally. It's a well known combo with people who play these pairs of commanders.
My only problem is I didn't know if there was a safer similar combo or other way of going about it so I don't get milled out by somebody casting a draw spell on me or whatever. I don't think there is so eh. I run Kozilek, the Great Distortion for this exact reason, and drop him before doing all this. Can literally throw all my cards at whatever.
October 17, 2017 2:48 a.m.
sylvannos - I'm pretty locked into my two current commanders, and all the cards I built around them. Though it could be a consideration for later.. I get pretty bored of combo decks after a while.
enpc - It's not the main win-condition of the deck, but yes it is something that I can do when I go infinite with colorless mana, and i'm trying to figure out a way to just outright win from drawing my entire deck aside from just playing Laboratory Maniac.. I've always thought it was dumb, but might just have to be the answer haha.
October 17, 2017 1:30 a.m.
enpc - Ya I don't think it exists.. Just figured i'd check with people on here for something fringe I might've missed. There has been many times deck building where I search for cards that synergize together in gatherer, but then i'll be watching something on YouTube and see a card i've never seen before that should've appeared in a gatherer search.
The combo i'm trying to figure out goes drawing all of my library with Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Thrasios, Triton Hero with infinite colorless mana, using Windfall, then each other player would loose on thier next turn. So i'm trying to figure out how to shuffle my hand back into library so I don't get milled out. Library of Leng is the closest thing i've found so far, since i'd discard to my library.. But Windfall would just make me draw that many again.
I know it sounds like a convoluted combo, but it really isn't since it comes up quite often with a bunch of wheel effects producing colorless for Kydele.
October 16, 2017 2:49 p.m.
rob_shifflett Using a "Why didn't you use google" comment is the most dismissive thing you can do. That's why I said that, it wasn't meant to be argumentative, nor disrespectful.. Just pointing out comments that offer no help.
Thanks for checking anyway, as I said, i've been looking for a while myself to no avail.
Your suggestion would work, however the combo involves drawing my entire library, using Windfall, and with Library of Leng in play I'd discard to library. So i'm trying to figure out how to either skip drawing back that many cards with Windfall, or just drawing the cards and shuffling my hand into library.
October 15, 2017 3:34 p.m.
Ya.. I did that. Nice overused google cliche. Did you not read the part where I said I was searching for a long time?
October 15, 2017 2:45 p.m.
I can't find one, i've been searching for a long time. I'm trying to assemble a semi-game winning combo where I need to shuffle my hand into my library.
Cards such as these arn't what i'm looking for..
I don't want my opponents to get this effect for the combo, and I can't be drawing that many cards I shuffled back with what Whirlpool Rider offers.
I'm looking for an exact effect where only you shuffle your hand into your library.
Anybody know of one in U/G colors, or an artifact with this effect?!
October 15, 2017 2:07 p.m.
Thanks for your input TheVectornaut
That's actually exactly how I understand it as well.. Since you have priority, if you own both, you can order your triggers just like anything else.
October 15, 2017 2:44 a.m.
So I have question I can't really find anywhere.. I understand you draw your normal card per turn before Teferi's Puzzle Box triggers because of the state based actions.
I'm confused about if additonal draw effects happen before Teferi's Box triggers as well? For instance, let's say I flash in Dictate of Kruphix before my next turn, and I have Teferi's Puzzle Box in play already.
October 15, 2017 12:17 a.m.
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