Nextgen magic website in development
Online Magic forum
Posted on March 2, 2016, 6:46 p.m. by EloB
I'm been developing a magic webpage https://mtg.zone/. That now contains a deckbuilder and also a really nice search engine. That has custom filters. If you search for example "@standard @instant @blue counter spell" you will get all blue instant standard cards that contains counter spell ordered by highest relevance. Its really fast and the design works good in both desktop and mobiles. Still some glitches but it's work in progress! Supported webbrowsers are Chrome, Safari, Opera, iOS (Safari) and Android (Chrome). I will try to support everyone but using a lot of new technologies!
Soooo, link? Also, why should we use it over this? TappedOut is pretty great as it is.
March 2, 2016 6:54 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
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March 2, 2016 6:55 p.m.
My site works great on most of all devices. It's really fast and nice interface has a good user experience. Using a lot of new technologies. That I think the rest of the sites doesn't have the knowledge how to implement.
March 2, 2016 7:01 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #8
I took a look and can't see any reason to use this over tappedout or the search engine on wizards.
March 2, 2016 7:09 p.m.
Yeah, I don't want to sound harsh but there's really no reason to use this over gatherer or T/O.
March 2, 2016 7:12 p.m.
The thing that only have to use your keyboard will speed up your search. Instead of clicking on forms (checkbox/selectboxes/radiobuttons) you can only use the @ character to get the list of custom filters. You will see the complete list of all cards. No more annoying pagination. I will improve the features everyday. It's still work in progress. My site is using the latest technology so I will be able to go offline and you will still be able do your search. So that will lower your mobile data traffic (saves money) and always lightning fast speed because of no latency. There are a lot of features that will be implemented in the near future.
March 2, 2016 7:20 p.m.
As I said before its still work in progress. The site is far from finished. My local magic community have only given good feedback. I have the knowledge and passion to really pushing the boundaries of what is possible. Any negative feedback will only make me more determine to prove you wrong :-)
March 2, 2016 7:40 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #12
Okay. So I looked at the site.
"There are a lot of features that will be implemented in the near future."
Examples?
Because quite frankly, your site does what everyone else does. Except that everyone else is established. I don't mean to be harsh here, but I come to T/O for the community. Will your site have discussion forums? Or is it just a search engine?
March 2, 2016 8:20 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #13
You should have hethe check boxes as well as the @ things.
I prefer checkboxes, especially on mobile. They feel faster.
March 2, 2016 8:39 p.m.
Almost every site in the magic community has a really bad user experience in the cellphones. I have mobile first approach (over 50% of the traffic is mobile nowadays). It should work good in all devices.
My roadmap looks like this right now:- Implement card overview page (rulings, discussion, used in decks)- Implement set page to overview all cards from a set- Implement realtime statistics when building deck (pie charts)- Implement login to save decks and communicate on the page- Implement a decks page that lists all created decks- Improve user experience- Improve my search with new filters and auto correcting feature and - Implement offline support so you always can enter my page even if you don't have internet access- Implement webcam online play with real cards and augmented reality- What the magic wants to have!
March 2, 2016 8:41 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #15
@EloB dude, I don't know if this is intentional or not, but you sound like all your stuff is being written by someone who doesn't actually know about mtg. like some old guy who thinks its fine to call black people... well, yknow.
mainly this:
What the magic wants to have!
Almost every site in the magic community has a really bad user experience in the cellphones.
Implement webcam online play with real cards and augmented reality
March 2, 2016 8:46 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #16
wait, guys, I'm pretty sure thats EXACTLY what this is.
he joined 2 hours ago. no decks, no nothing.
you better not be trying to just harvest traffic from here.
March 2, 2016 8:47 p.m.
I'm thinking of starting to stream my programming session on twitch if someone is interested.
March 2, 2016 8:48 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #18
Well, I'm certainly not convinced. Best of luck.
March 2, 2016 8:50 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #19
No, EloB, don't do that.
No one cares enough to watch you program your site. Most, as we've seen, don't care enough to even use the site.
You need to focus on what your site does, not on its, or yours, image.
March 2, 2016 8:51 p.m.
What I'm trying todo is helping the community to grow. I been playing Magic when I was a kid 93/94 and recently started playing again. I been investing a lot of money into cards right now. The websites hasn't got the love they are suppose to get. A lot of the sites looks the same as they did when I was a kid. I believe that my passion for web development and my recent love for Magic could be a really benefit for the whole community!
March 2, 2016 8:55 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #21
I don't think anyone is arguing that better development is a bad thing for the online community. The problem is that there are umpteen indie developers going out and doing these partial websites that don't really offer much to the community either because they're so specific to one idea (e.g., Site X has a super good search feature but really bad inventorying, or Site Y has a good forum but is bad for deckbuilding) or because they're just off target.
Sort of the problem with indie developers as a group is that they tend to make a lot of assumptions about what various communities need, and these assumptions aren't always necessarily correct or the best basis for a full website.
From your posts, it seems like you fall into that category. You have a lot of opinions about what the Magic community wants or needs, but you really haven't sold your ideas to the community that you claim wants these things. The idea that people want to watch you code on Twitch or that people are clamoring for a solo developer's augmented reality promises is frankly bizarre to most of us.
And I'm not saying nothing good ever came of indie devs. Go basically built this site by himself. But it offers a lot of functionality to the users. It doesn't commit to one feature and exclude all else, and it actually provides a range of tools that make it a useful resource as a whole. You need to do that before people really start taking an interest in your project.
March 2, 2016 9:14 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME What is wrong with "Implement webcam online play with real cards and augmented reality"? It would be a legal alternative to like cockatrice. It's also a big difference of playing online and not holding your own paper cards.
March 2, 2016 9:14 p.m.
Epochalyptik You are so wrong about me :) I'm a successful self-employed developer. I have really big clients and been developing really successful applications. I'm super passionate about development and my website is in a "alpha" stage with one feature right now. I'm not the guy that surrenders easily. It's sad that anyone can't see any potential in what I'm doing at the moment but as an entrepreneur I'm used to this :)
March 2, 2016 9:25 p.m.
This is how all people react when they see change. Telling you to quit and it will never work... But guess what I won't... :)
March 2, 2016 9:27 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #25
This is how all people react when they see change. Telling you to quit and it will never work... But guess what I won't.
No one said, give up. We just weren't convinced by what you've presented. There is a distinct difference there.
March 2, 2016 9:37 p.m.
It's always interesting to see how people perceive criticism. No one said anything about giving up. No one is being a hater. We just don't understand why we should choose to use your product when there are clearly better products available at this time.
March 2, 2016 9:40 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #27
I never told you to quit.
And your clients don't matter to me. I don't care whether you're successful or not. Stop projecting your self-validating "entrepreneurial" spirit onto the subject.
What we care about is the quality of the product that you're offering. And right now, there isn't enough there for us to take your word on any degree of potential. In order to make promises like that, you need to start with a functional core that offers enough to entice people. As it is, there are plenty of card databases and plenty of deckbuilding sites that do a lot more than what you're doing. So there's not really any reason to make the switch to your platform.
March 2, 2016 9:43 p.m.
I haven't heard a single positive feedback. All my effort can't be that bad. So in my ears it's another way of telling quit doing what you are doing.Instead of trying to help and tell me can you implement this or that looked good but could you tweak that then it will be better. Can you implement this because that would be awesome!
March 2, 2016 9:44 p.m.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of your credibility.
- This is the internet and I could be Batman for all you know.
- Your grammar and communication is quite poor.
I'm not being rude, but if you have so many big clients, then your communication would most likely be more refined. I'm not talking grammar per se, but rather proof-reading what you right, making sure your sentences make sense, and fixing run-on sentences.
You are coming across as someone who is incredibly out of sync with the MtG community. Your idea's aren't new but you seem to know exactly what we need, yet we have what we need. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
You should also work to take criticism better. You can't twist what we are saying to fit what you think. No one has said to quit. WE are challenging your product and offering insight into why we would not use it. Frankly, there are better, more refined products available.
Maybe your efforts would be better suited helping an already established website make improvements.
Anyways, best of luck in your endeavors.
March 2, 2016 9:50 p.m. Edited.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #30
I mean, people here hold these kinds of sites up to a very high standard, because T/O is probably the best deck builder out there. To compete with it or other MTG sites (MTGS for example), you'd need a complete deckbuilder (with card editions, mana curves, prices, descriptions, deck pages, etc...), forums, a playtester, a draft sim, a rules Q/A forum, a complete card search, and most importantly, a very solid community. None of which you have right now. If you're trying for the mobile appeal, there are plenty of apps out there that give you a more sophisticated deck builder, prices, trades, etc... So maybe try implementing some of those features first. It's a good start, but it needs a huge amount of work to get up to these levels.
March 2, 2016 9:51 p.m. Edited.
CanadianShinobi says... #31
I haven't heard a single positive feedback.
What am I supposed to be positive about? You have a less than bare bones product. I applaud your ambition, but ambition does not reality make.
Instead of trying to help and tell me can you implement this or that looked good but could you tweak that then it will be better. Can you implement this because that would be awesome!
We offered this. Or at least some have. Even if this wasn't the case, you should know your market. If you're going to compete then you need to know what you have to do. And then you need to do better. I'm sorry we didn't recognize you special snowflake status, but quite frankly you have nothing to offer right now that can compete with the other sites that are out there.
March 2, 2016 9:56 p.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #32
@DrFunk27 fucking told yall.
he's only been here for a few hours now...
March 2, 2016 9:59 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #33
A lot of the reaction is, well, exactly that. Reaction. Specifically to how you're presenting your idea.
If you walk into car show claiming to have a great solution for everyone, then unveil a one-seater smart car that runs on asparagus smoothies, people are obviously going to tune you out. They'll go back to looking at the Tesla and the Camaro and the umpteen Hondas and whatever else is on the market. The problem is that you're claiming to know exactly what the community wants or needs and are delivering something that isn't only "old," but is only a fraction of what's being offered by other sites.
If you had come to us wondering how MTG players could be better served in the online community and presented your current site as an idea for a new search tool that might be used specifically as an improvement over one aspect of existing sites, you probably would have gotten a warmer welcome.
March 2, 2016 9:59 p.m.
English isn't my main language. Thats probably why I not having the best grammar. Why should that affect my credibility? Big clients doesn't buy grammar they buy competence and good products.
March 2, 2016 10:05 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #35
That's great. Now deliver those things instead of your grammar.
March 2, 2016 10:15 p.m.
Did anyone read the topic Nextgen magic website "in development"? This means that it isn't a finished product. I done some small parts that are well polished. It's only a small taste of what is coming. I think this is just waste of my time and yours. Thanks for everyones feedback.
March 2, 2016 10:17 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #38
No decks: check.
Joined less than 5 hours ago: check.
First post is about peddling a product: check.
Is instantly argumentitive when confronted: check.
Questionable writing skills: check.
"English isn't my first language" response: check.
Claims to have "large amounts of business": check.
This scream of "Nigerian Prince" to anyone else?
March 2, 2016 11:20 p.m.
At least he/she wasn't asking for money to start up the program. Lmao
March 2, 2016 11:34 p.m.
grumbledore says... #40
Also: no. No I do not want to let your site use up to 50 megs of storage on my phone lol.
I'm not sure what you mean about the mobile experiences being bad. Tappedout runs perfectly fine on my phone. In fact, 95% of my tappedout usage is on my phone. You're not doing anything new or inventive here. Putting a new visual spin on an existing proven concept isn't 'next gen'. Next gen implies innovation. And no, the giant search box is not innovation :)
March 3, 2016 1:48 a.m.
Try turning of your internet and make a search on tapped.Then do the same with my site. It's the technology that is nextgen.I wasn't sure when to register for this site after reading the comments tutorial. All these comments confirms my all my concerns.
March 3, 2016 3:02 a.m.
My site will always work and it will always be lightning fast. Even when you are playing Magic in your basement, sitting on the train in subway, traveling by airplane, I have problems with my servers. No latency issues.I'm also using SSL for security so when I'm building my login your session will be secure. The graphics is more up to date.A tip to the community is to be polite to new players. Being rude will not make the community bigger.
March 3, 2016 3:34 a.m.
For instance you can't use tappedout on public wifi. Anyone on that network can easily steal your current logged in session. Because the current user session is sent over the network without any encryption. That might seem to be not that harmful but for hackers that is worth gold.
March 3, 2016 4:03 a.m.
scrotality The reason why it asks for 50mb is because you will get a local copy of the magic card database on your device. The compressed raw data that streamed over to your device is only 4mb but will be expanded on your device to 41mb. Thats why your able to search the cards without having internet.
March 3, 2016 5:14 a.m.
In future versions you will be able to turn off the offline feature if you don't want it and use my servers instead to get the search results. My webpage have been compared to apps here in the thread. Thats exactly what I'm aiming for. To make my homepage better than installed apps on your phone.
March 3, 2016 5:37 a.m.
According to tappedout.net has been around since 2001 last time the design was updated were 2011. It's obvious that this site got more features it should be really weird if it didn't. I will probably not aim to have all features that tapped has. I will rather aim to have really good implemented features instead and doing them one by one. I'm new to this game but that also means I'm more hungry. I don't have to maintain legacy code and my bleeding edge tech stack will let me implement features in a better way then the competition.
March 3, 2016 11:33 a.m.
According to https://web.archive.org/web//www.tappedout.net
This editor is removing my text.
March 3, 2016 11:35 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #48
You should have it be an option to store data right now and don't make it default.
Also, all your concerns about the speed of this site versus yours... are negligible. I use this site exclusively on my phone. It's always fast. Always. Hell, it loads faster than Facebook does.
March 3, 2016 12:02 p.m.
grumbledore says... #49
im not really sure what you expected the reactions here to be. you come on a site which doe the exact same thing you're trying to do, and pitch your own product. obviously people are going to be annoyed... right? occam's razor is legit tech, my friend. you might have better luck at mtgsalvation or something like that that isn't oriented around deck building (i don't think they do anyways).
as for myself, I'm curious if your dev skills can keep up with your hyperbole, so i'll check your site occasionally.
March 3, 2016 12:06 p.m.
First real feedback. I not sure about it but I will considered it.
So you are claiming that you never have bad connection on your mobile? It doesn't matter it tappedout has 1000 of servers which they don't if your connection is bad then your user experience will get affected. If your living outside town the broadband can easily drop or if you are at location like subway or something it's also dropping. Have you heard someone telling it's buffering (when streaming for instance YouTube) that's probably because of bad connection. Our magic local shop is in a basement so we can't even use Internet or the experience is really bad.
Also if you travel in another country you won't get robbed by roaming if you can go offline.
VampireArmy says... #2
Why should we use that instead of this?
March 2, 2016 6:52 p.m.