Preventing Damage By regenerating (two questions)
Asked by FALLEN-X-ANGEL 11 years ago
Ok first question is: Would trample not go into affect or would you still take the damage. Second question: Say someone is attacking you with some sort of creature that could be a 8/8 vigilance with some crazy abilities. Could you regenerate the creature and remove it from combat and not take the damage? Or would you still take the damage? My friend is asking me this question. The answer is you still take the damage
EddCrawley says... #2
If you are attacking with a say 8/8 with Trample and regeneration and your opponent blocks with a 8/1. as all damage is simultaneous then you could activate your creature's regeneration, which will not take effect until it has received lethal damage, by which case the 7 points of trample damage have already been dealt.
As for your 2nd question, if you could give your opponents creature regeneration, this would only trigger once it has received lethal damage, in which case it would tap and be removed from combat.
This is where First Striking, Deathtouchers are so very useful.
March 13, 2014 6:40 a.m.
To this question also, does the creature that become blocked receive the damage from the regenerated creature?
Or since it is removed from combat, no damage is dealt?
March 13, 2014 10:40 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
@Fizzz: Damage in a combat step is dealt simultaneously. The only way the creatures would deal damage at different times is if one of them had first/double strike and the other one didn't.
March 13, 2014 11:43 a.m.
Not sure I understood that Rhadamanthus. Attackers are declared, blockers are declared and the creature is regenerated, and thus removed from combat.... would the creature that is blocked receive damage from the one that was regenerated?
March 13, 2014 1:49 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #6
Yes, it would. The creature is only tapped and removed from combat etc. after it has been dealt lethal damage. They deal damage at the same time, then the one that was regenerated actually regenerates if it has been dealt lethal damage.
The reminder text for regenerate says "The next time this creature would be destroyed..." so regeneration doesn't do anything until the creature would die. In this situation, that means nothing happens until after damage is dealt when the creature would die.
Drilnoth says... Accepted answer #1
Question 1: When you regenerate something, it creates a "shield" that takes effect the next time the creature would die. The creature instead doesn't die, becomes tapped, and is removed from combat. Note that regenerating does not technically "prevent" damage, but the answer to your first question is the same either way. When a creature with trample is assigning damage, it must at least assign damage to defending creatures equal to their toughness (or as much as possible); they rest can be assigned to the defending player. This assignment does not take into account anything like regeneration or protection (or other damage prevention). If you attack with a 5/5 with trample and they block with a 3/3, 3 damage gets assigned to the creature and 2 to the defending player. The fact that the creature then regenerates is irrelevant for determining the damage assignment.
Question 2: (Assuming that "some crazy abilities" aren't anything relevant like trample). As above, damage assignment doesn't consider things like regeneration. If you block the 8/8 with Drudge Skeletons and regenerate them, the 8/8 will deal 8 damage to the Skeletons. The Skeletons will regenerate (tapping them and removing them from combat), but damage has already been dealt; the 8/8 won't then go on to deal damage to you. So, no, you do not still take the damage. Once a creature becomes blocked (unless it has trample or another relevant ability) it will not deal combat damage that combat to the defending player. Furthermore, in this situation, damage has already been dealt, so it wouldn't get dealt again.
Hope that helps!
March 13, 2014 6:39 a.m.