Maelstrom Wanderer Cascade in EDH question.
Asked by greySynapse 10 years ago
I hope this is the right place for this.
I had a technical question regarding the resolution of Cascade with Maelstrom Wanderer .
Suppose I have played Maelstrom Wanderer once before, and am playing him a second time from the command zone. Does the triggered Cascade effect now recognize that he has a cost of 10, or does the Cascade effect ONLY recognize his original CMC of 8?
Hjaltrohir says... #2
The cascade cost recognises the converted mana cost. In commander i believe the commander tax does not affect the cmc but i could be wrong
October 19, 2014 1:23 a.m.
greySynapse says... #3
I'm not asking whether the ability triggers.
I'm asking if the card I Cascade INTO can have a higher CMC as the cost of Maelstrom Wanderer goes up each time I play him from the Command Zone.
October 19, 2014 1:24 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #4
I dont believe so as the cmc of the wanderer is still 8.
October 19, 2014 1:25 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... Accepted answer #6
The CMC of a card is always based on the cost explicitly printed on the card. Because the printed cost of Maelstrom Wanderer is 5RUG, his CMC is 8.
Commander tax, alternate costs, additional costs, or effects that reduce costs will never affect a card's CMC.
October 19, 2014 1:33 a.m.
greySynapse says... #7
Thank you as well.
I was making sure, as I was uncertain regarding the mechanics of Commander taxes in the situation of Cascade and the official site rules didn't have information on this scenario for me.
October 19, 2014 1:35 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
Rules questions should be asked in the Q&A, which is linked in the header bar.
October 19, 2014 2:24 a.m.
greySynapse says... #9
Thanks for the info! Will keep the in mind for future questions.
October 19, 2014 2:28 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
The site doesn't mention it because the CMC of a card is unchanging. Normally, Gatherer rulings answer questions about interactions rather than restate definitions.
October 19, 2014 2:31 a.m.
TheBanlist says... #11
It seems this is dead, but I have a question:
Does the wording of Cascade mean converted mana cost? As the wording is on Maelstrom Wanderer, it says casting cost, not CMC, whereas other cards explicitly say CMC. Is CMC insinuated/oracled-in or did I find a glitch in the matrix?
Judging by my previous experiences on the boards, I would guess the latter, but, hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
April 21, 2015 4:30 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
@IzzetGolgariLovechild: If you knew the thread was dead, you should have asked your question as a new thread.
April 21, 2015 5:21 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #14
Your question is answerable. This is the wrong venue in which to seek an answer.
Please ask your question in a new thread in the Q&A.
April 21, 2015 5:24 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #15
And because this thread has been moved to the Q&A, it has become unlocked again. Joy.
Yes, "cost" in cascade means "converted mana cost." Nowhere does cascade say "casting cost."
If you thought this might have been addressed in an Oracle update or Gatherer ruling, you should have checked there first.
6/1/2012: No matter what spell you cast with the first cascade trigger (or any cascade triggers that result from casting that spell), the second cascade trigger will look for a spell with converted mana cost less than Maelstrom Wanderer's converted mana cost of 8.
That ruling indirectly answers your question.
Hjaltrohir says... #1
Every time you cast him, from the command zone for 8,10,150 mana or your hand or even you deck the ability triggers.
So yes.
October 19, 2014 1:22 a.m.