If someone plays a Twincast with a Spelltwine, can the Twincast copy Spelltwine?

Asked by bbk17 11 years ago

Okay, so I don't think this is possible but my friends think it is. They think that if you play Spelltwine, grabbing whatever and Twincast, that you can use the Twincast on Spelltwine. Is that right? Or shouldn't Spelltwine be off the stack when the Twincast is cast?

gufymike says... #1

Spelltwine - Twincast for reference

July 10, 2013 3:22 p.m.

Nightstlkr says... #2

Twincast is an instant which means you can put it on the stack before Spelltwine if off. i believe the sequence is cast Spelltwine wait for response, if none then Twincast wait for response, then resolves.

July 10, 2013 3:26 p.m.

Nightstlkr says... #3

oh wait i read that wrong, i apologize. when Spelltwine grabs the Twincast you are then putting both the Twincast and the other spell on the stack while Spelltwine finishes resolving so when Twincast is grabbed, you can still copy either the Spelltwine or the other card grabbed or anything else on the stack.

July 10, 2013 3:28 p.m.

raithe000 says... #4

But wouldn't Spelltwine have resolved and be off the stack by the time Twincast resolves? And would that matter?

July 10, 2013 3:31 p.m.

Nightstlkr says... #5

yes, spelltwine resolves first. however, while it is resolvING and thus still "in play", you have the ability to copy it. you can have the twincast copy the spelltwine between spelltwine finishing resolving and twincast resolving. remember the twincast is its own copy and also makes the fact spelltwine is exiled mean nothing.

July 10, 2013 3:50 p.m.

Denial048 says... #6

Epochalyptik; I believe you can target the Spelltwine with the Twincast , but when the Twincast attempts to resolve, nothing will happen due to Spelltwine being gone. This was in a question the other day, and is the reason I am summoning Epoc.

July 10, 2013 4:08 p.m.

bbk17 says... #7

gufymike i forgot how to tag cards and stuff when I was posting this whoops

July 10, 2013 4:29 p.m.

Jimhawk says... Accepted answer #8

Here's what happens:

Spelltwine is put on the stack with its targets. It then follows all the effects written in the card in order; the two targeted cards will be exiled, then copied, then cast if able. When these spells are cast, you will select their targets, modes, and any other relevant choices. Spelltwine will be exiled, and then it will have fully resolved. Now the two copied spells will begin resolving in reverse order on the stack.

Twincast could have legally targeted Spelltwine when it was cast because Spelltwine was still a spell on that stack at that time. However, by the time it attempts to resolve, the Spelltwine has already left the stack (and was even exiled!). Twincast will be countered for having no legal targets.

July 10, 2013 5:08 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #9

Because Spelltwine is still on the stack when you cast the copy of Twincast , you're allowed to target it with Twincast. However, when it's finally time for Twincast to start resolving, Spelltwine is long gone from the stack. Because all of its targets are now illegal, Twincast is countered by the rules.

July 10, 2013 6:41 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #10

Jimhawk and Rhadamanthus are correct.

Denial048: You are mostly correct, but remember that the Twincast will fizzle rather than simply do nothing. When all of a spell or ability's targets become illegal, then that spell or ability is countered when it would resolve. None of its effects occur.

July 10, 2013 7:07 p.m.