How does a card like Waylay interact with a card like Doubling Season?

Asked by Zicca21 10 years ago

Would there still be 3 knights on the battlefield?

nighthawk101 says... #1

If you cast Waylay with Doubling Season on the battlefielderly under your control, the three tokens will be doubled to six tokens. All six of the tokens will be exiled and subsequently removed at the end of the turn.

If you cat Doubling Season after Waylay, there will still only be three tokens.

November 14, 2014 10:20 a.m.

MTGPlus says... #2

Actually, nighthawk101 you are wrong. If you cast Doubling Season and then Waylay, then those knight tokens caused by Waylay are removed while the ones made with Doubling Season would still be in play because they do not have anything taking them away. Waylay only says remove those tokens at the end of your turn. The tokens do not say that, and Doubling Season only says copy the tokens. So, the ones made by Waylay are removed while the ones by Doubling Season stay.

November 14, 2014 10:28 a.m.

nighthawk101 says... #3

Nacatl War-Pride, Gemini Engine, and Waylay all make one or more tokens and creates delayed triggers to get rid of them.

Q1. How do these delayed triggers interact with the additional tokens made by Doubling Season?

Doubling Season is a replacement event, so it changes what happenswhen the tokens are created. Instead of creating X tokens, we get 2X tokens ... but it's still the same creation event. That means theduplicates are considered part of "the tokens" created, and they willbe sacrificed/exiled at the end of the turn along with the originals.

From a L3 judge

November 14, 2014 11:39 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #4

@MTGPlus: It is you who is wrong.

Doubling Season creates a replacement effect that causes the original token-producing effect to simply produce more tokens. It doesn't copy the original tokens once they've been created (if it did, you would be correct). Because the tokens are all created by the same effect, they are all subject to any additional effects or DTAs created by the resolution of the same ability that created them.

November 14, 2014 12:20 p.m.