How do triggered abilities "at the beginning of upkeep" resolve?
Asked by dragonstryke58 14 years ago
Here's the situation:
I have a Concerted Effort on the field with Akroma, Angel of Wrath with another monster. My opponent has Dominus of Fealty .
Since the Concerted Effort's trigger is at the beginning of each player's upkeep, and the Dominus of Fealty is at the beginning of upkeep, how do their triggered abilities resolve? Will my monsters still gain the protection from red from Akroma? If he steals the Concerted Effort, will I, he, or both of us benefit?
When multiple abilities trigger off the same event, they are put onto the stack in Active Player Non-Active Player (APNAP) order. That is, each player in turn order starting with the active player puts all their triggered abilities on the stack however they choose.
In this case, your opponent's Dominus goes on the stack first, followed by your Effort. Your Effort's triggered ability will resolve first, followed by the Dominus. In the end, your creatures will all gain awesome abilities and your opponent will have your Concerted Effort.
April 19, 2011 1:51 a.m.
Ninja'd...also Magnor, it's the opponent's upkeep, hence why Dominus of Fealty is triggering.
April 19, 2011 1:54 a.m.
dragonstryke58 says... #4
Thanks for the help. I suspected as such but it was good to make sure.
April 19, 2011 2:09 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #5
D'oh! Once again I fail at noticing important details because I'm trying to answer when I'm tired.
Siegfried is absolutely correct, and while the bulk of my explanation was right, the outcome of this particular scenario wasn't.
Because it's your opponent's upkeep and not yours, you're the non-active player; your abilities go on the stack first and resolve first, so your opp's Dominus won't be able to steal your creatures.
To answer the second question there (which I also missed), if your opponent steals the Effort with his Dominus, you're still benefitting for this turn, not him. Again, in this scenario, the trigger resolves before the Dominus' so you still have the Effort when he gets to take something.
However, let's just say it was reversed, and Dominus stole the Effort first. The Effort's ability won't trigger again because it's no longer the beginning of the upkeep step (it can't be, since Dominus' ability has already been and gone from the stack in order to steal it in the first place, and they trigger at the same time).
Since it was your permanent when it got put on the stack, the Effort's ability is owned by you, , and so "you" is locked in as you. It's entirely separate from the permanent that created it at this point. So it'll still be your creatures that benefit this turn.
MagnorCriol says... #1
I'm afraid it doesn't end that well for you here.
When you have multiple triggers trying to do something at the same time, players put them all on the stack in what's called "APNAP order" - Active Player, Non-Active Player order.
What this means is that the active player (in this scenario, you) puts all abilities they own on the stack in whatever order they wish, then it goes around with each other player putting all of their triggers on the stack in turn order. In a two-player game like you mentioned, it's of course only one other person, but this is also how you handle situations in larger games.
So you put all of your triggers, including Concerted Effort 's, on the stack in whatever order you choose. Then you pass priority to your opponent, who puts all of his triggers, including Dominus of Fealty 's, on the stack in whatever order he wants.
Once priority passes around without anyone doing anything, the stack begins resolving in its usual top-down order...which means Dominus of Fealty gets the opportunity to nab something before Concerted Effort gives your creatures Prot Red.
April 19, 2011 1:49 a.m.