Game ruling: Deck checks and 2-sided cards
Asked by Servo_Token 10 years ago
Hey guys,
So I had this thought today, and figured that here would be a fine place to ask. So, let's assume that I am in a moderate sized event, say an SCG IQ. It's a modern event, and I am running, say, 3 copies of Huntmaster of the Fells Flip in my deck list.
However, I don't have 3 physical copies of Huntmaster of the Fells Flip. I'm using 3 of the "Check cards" in my sleeves instead, and have 2 actual copies of Huntmaster of the Fells Flip in my deck box. By process of random selection, I and my opponent are each requested to stop for a deck check.
What happens here? Do I not have a proper deck as according to my deck list? I never plan on having all 3 huntmasters on the field at the same time, which, along with budget reasons, is why I am hypothetically only using the two. What are the rulings behind 2-sided cards in this regard?
Of course, this isn't an actual scenario, just something that I could see happening sometime. I wasn't around for competitive Dark Ascension, so I wouldn't know from experience what to do here, and am just looking to learn a bit.
Thanks!
Absinthman says... Accepted answer #2
Source: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/157b
Putting Double-Faced Cards in Your Deck
To put a double-faced card into your deck, you have two options: You can put your entire deck in opaque card sleeves, as many players already do, or you can use the checklist card provided in many Innistrad packs.
If you're using sleeves, it's pretty straightforward. You'll want to put the double-faced card in the sleeve with its front face showing, and take it out of the sleeve when it transforms. (Putting it back in is optional, at least until it leaves the battlefield.)
To use the checklist card, set your double-faced card aside and make a mark on the checklist card next to the name of the double-faced card it represents. Be sure to use a writing implement that won't be visible through the back of the checklist card, and to mark only one double-faced card name on each checklist card.
Only official checklist cards may be used to stand in for double-faced cards in a deck. If you use a checklist card to represent any of the double-faced cards in your deck, you must use checklist cards to represent all of them.
You'll use the checklist card any time it's important to keep the identity of your card secretin other words, when it's in your library, in your hand, or exiled face down. You'll switch to the double-faced card when the card is on the stack, on the battlefield, in the graveyard, or exiled face up.
Any time a double-faced card is visiblewhether because it's in a public zone, because it's revealed (say, by Telepathy), or because it's being looked at by a player due to an effect (say, Coercion)the players who can see it can see both faces. Any player who can look at a checklist card in a hidden zone may look at the double-faced card it represents.
Important note: You actually must own the same number of particular double-faced cards that you are representing by checklists in your deck. You can't use the checklists to represent cards you don't own, that's same as using proxies.
November 20, 2014 5:54 p.m.
You register a decklist when you sign up for events like the one you mentioned, scg modern, and if you write down that you are running 3x Huntmaster of the Fells Flip then you need to be able to present 3x Huntmaster of the Fells Flip upon receiving a deck check.
November 20, 2014 5:54 p.m.
NotSoLuckyLydia says... #4
"You must have with you the actual double-faced card the checklist card is representing. The double-faced card should be kept apart from the rest of your deck. In tournaments, the double-faced card should also be kept separate from your sideboard."
You can't have less than the number of cards that you actually own in a deck.
November 20, 2014 5:55 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #5
I mean, aside from the actual rules, you can't just plan on never having all three of those Huntmaster of the Fells Flip on the field at once. If you play enough with the deck, at some point you'll have all three in hand, and want to play them.
November 20, 2014 6:03 p.m.
smash10101 says... #6
as to what would actually happen, if I were the judge who was checking your deck, we would sit down and have a talk. If I thought that you knew that you needed to have all 3, but you didn't feel like buying them, I would be very sad and disqualify you. If I believed that you didn't know the rules, I would explain why that's bad, issue you a game loss, and then replace one of your huntmasters with a basic land of your choice.
Slycne says... #1
The checklist cards are only there as stand ins. Your deck would still contain an illegal number of cards. You'd be given the opportunity to replace it if possible, otherwise a basic land would be added to make up the difference.
November 20, 2014 5:49 p.m.