Extra card Draw - new rule
Asked by Rayenous 9 years ago
So, with the new rule, drawing an extra card is no longer a game loss. Instead, the opponent of a player who drew the extra card looks at the hand with the extra card, chooses one and shuffles it into it's owners library.
This is nice (better than a loss), but brings up a question.
Prior to the rule change, if a player drew an extra card while drawing their opening hand it would be an automatic mulligan. (i.e. it is the same as looking at the top card before reshuffling your deck.)
Does the new rule now take effect (since it is technically an extra draw) instead of the 'automatic mulligan', or does the automatic mulligan still occur?
As it turns out, the 'forced Mulligan' that my LGS uses is not the proper method of fixing the 'Improper Draw At Start of Game'.
For regular REL, the Judge should simply be randomly selecting a number of cards equal to the extra cards drawn and shuffling it/them back into the library.
For higher REL's, the Judge should be randomly selecting a number of cards equal to the extra cards drawn plus one and shuffling them back into the library.
This info may make a bit of a splash at my LGS... and brings up other questions.
If an Improper Draw occurs, and the Judge removes 2 cards (a mull to 6 accidentally draws 7, and the Judge removes 2, so player now has 5.), and the player decides to mulligan those cards, do they draw one less than they had (mulligan to 4), or do they draw one less than they were supposed to have (mulligan to 5)?
Also, if this occurs in the opening hand (accidentally drew and looked at 8, so a Judge removes 2 cards at random), and the player decided to keep these cards... since they now have 6 in their starting hand, do they get the free scry?
November 30, 2015 10:14 a.m. Edited.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Rule 103.4 looks to be bittersweet.
To mulligan, you shuffle your hand into your library and draw one fewer card than the number of cards you shuffled into your library. This means of you mulligan after receiving an extra draw penalty, the number of cards you'll draw is influenced by the penalty.
However, the scry rule applies based on whether the number of cards in your hand is fewer than your starting hand size, which means that a penalized hand without mulligans may meet the qualifications for a pre-start scry.
November 30, 2015 10:21 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
It says at the end that it is considered a mulligan. So I would assume that further mulligans can be taken but at -1 to the number in hand currently (accidently draw 7 on a mull to 6, 2 removed bringing it to 5, next mull is 4) and I would assume that the post-mull scry would happen since the player is considered to have mulliganed. At FNM though the Infraction Procedure Guide isn't in force (unless the head judge decides to use it). Instead Judging at Regular is used. Judging at Regular doesn't outline specific remedies for problems. It is more a philosophy to apply. It sounds like your head judge is using a modified version of the forced mull, which is fine at regular. If you have a store that contains a lot of players that may be going to competitive events then the judge may want to consider applying the Infraction Procedure Guide more stringently, but they still need to make Regular REL welcoming to new players that may be playing.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1
This question concerns procedures found in the Magic Infraction Procedure Guide. The additional remedy for improper drawing at start of game is still a forced mulligan; not a reveal, discard, shuffle.
November 30, 2015 9:20 a.m.