Does a manifested Skullbriar, the Walking Grave keep it's +1/+1 counters?

Asked by Daxos23 9 years ago

I used a Ghastly Conscription on my friend's junk deck. He had a Skullbriar, the Walking Grave in his grave yard with six +1/+1 counters on it. Do I put the counters on the manifested creature, on the creature when I turn it face up, or are they lost?

Epochalyptik says... #1

It won't keep its counters because it loses the ability that allows it to do so, but all players will know which card is Skullbriar.

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April 22, 2015 3:49 p.m.

Daxos23 says... #2

So it enters with the counters but then loses them? Or are they lost in the process, while being manifested?

April 23, 2015 12:39 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #3

The counters stay on Skullbriar as it moves from the graveyard to exile, because its ability still existed at the time it needed to be applied (right before the move actually happened). Face down cards in exile don't have any characteristics, however, so that means the counters don't stay on Skullbriar's card as it moves from exile to the battlefield while being manifested.

April 23, 2015 12:21 p.m.

Daxos23 says... #4

Just because it's facedown?

April 23, 2015 12:30 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #5

Basically, the counters will exist on Skullbriar, the Walking Grave while it's in exile.

Then, Ghastly Conscription begins to resolve. When Skullbriar is turned face-down in exile, the counters will still be there because a zone change has not yet been enacted. All players will actually know which of the face-down, shuffled cards is Skullbriar because it will have the counters on it through the shuffling process.

When the exiled cards are manifested, Skullbriar changes zones. However, it's face-down when the zone change would begin, so it doesn't have the ability that allows it to keep its counters. The counters will not follow Skullbriar into the battlefield.

April 23, 2015 12:31 p.m.

Daxos23 says... #6

Okay. Thanks guys!

April 23, 2015 4:13 p.m.

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