Does 2 Rhox Faithmender grab me 4 times the normal lifelink?
Asked by WOLFisPRO 12 years ago
it is either that or just the normal 2x lifegain
It's not a trigger, it's a replacement effect. Otherwise, Cobthecobbler is right. 4x the life.
March 24, 2013 8:36 p.m.
Just looked this up: Rule 419.6a: A replacement effect doesn't invoke itself repeatedly and gets only one opportunity for each event. Example: A player controls two permanents, each with an ability that reads "If a creature you control would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals double that damage to that creature or player instead." A creature that normally deals 2 damage will deal 8 damage-not just 4, and not an infinite amount.
March 24, 2013 8:38 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #4
The idea is the same though, but thank you for correcting me.
March 24, 2013 8:38 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #5
Questions like this can almost always be answered by consulting the Gatherer page(s) for the card(s) in question.
7/1/2012: If you control two Rhox Faithmenders, life you gain will be multiplied by four. Three Rhox Faithmenders will multiply any life gain by eight, and so on.
The trick here is multiple replacement effects will all apply to the same event if possible. The first Rhox Faithmender will replace "gain X life" with "gain twice X life," and the second Rhox Faithmender will replace "gain twice X life" with "gain four times X life."
March 24, 2013 8:39 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #6
So does that make it a no? I'm rethinking this in my head, and i actually think its a no.
"If an effect would cause you to gain life, you gain twice that much life instead." Since Faithmender isn't causing you to gain life, it wouldn't be 4x, it would only be the 2x, right?
March 24, 2013 8:40 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #7
I'm quoting it wrong. I think it's the 4x though, anyway.Epochalyptik's got it.
March 24, 2013 8:41 p.m.
The card doesn't say "if an effect". It just says "If you would gain life". So, you try to gain X life. Because of the first Faithmender, you gain 2X life. Then, you try to gain 2X life. The first Faithmender already affected that gain, but the second one hasn't, so you gain 4X life.
March 24, 2013 8:42 p.m.
Also, am I the only one that finds it disconcerting that Epochalyptik can declare his answers THE answer when he posts on the Q&A?
March 24, 2013 8:44 p.m.
He linked to the explicit statement by Wizards addressing the exact question they had. It's not like he's presuming or anything.
March 24, 2013 8:45 p.m.
I know, but it's still kinda weird that he can DO that. Sure, he's right whenever he does that, but it's still weird that he CAN do that.
March 24, 2013 8:47 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #13
I have that power because people often forget to pick an answer to their own questions; I'll often log on and find the Q&A has three or four active questions that have already been answered multiple times, which means they're still in the activity feed for the front page even though they don't need to be.
Whenever I pick my own answer, it's because that was the best available answer provided. Most often, I provide relevant rules quotes or clarifications that were absent from existing answers. If a question has already been sufficiently answered by another user (i.e. the correct and full answer is provided, and there is no confusion about its tenets), I'll select that answer rather than posting my own.
Besides, there's no reward for having the most answers in the Q&A.
March 24, 2013 9:01 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #15
I wonder if we could get Steve the "Q&A Answers" statistic added to profile pages again. I remember it used to exist.
March 24, 2013 9:15 p.m.
LordOfMishap says... #16
LMAO! I'm with Rhadamanthus on this one. I want a recount and I want it now! Thank you Epochalyptik for clearing this one up.
Cobthecobbler says... #1
Each one triggers seperately, so my guess would be that one triggers first, giving 2x life, then the other triggers, doubling again. Essentially, yes.
March 24, 2013 8:34 p.m.