Cloud Goat Ranger Modern
Asked by LethalOnBoard 11 years ago
I played a Modern Draft last Saturday in a fairly small crowd, and was lucky enough to draft 2x Cloud Goat Ranger. If your opponent attacks before your kithkin tokens loose summoning sickness, can you tap them to make Cloud Goat Ranger fly? I kept thinking no, but the ruling in the shop was that I could. I'm still not sure I agree with that and just wanted to double check.
Nightstlkr says... #2
summoning sickness prevents attacking, activating abilities (the activated abilities are the ones that read [cost]:[effect] and tapping unless something else forces it do so (say Gridlock ) so in short, summoning sickness prevents putting the ranger in the air.
July 30, 2013 10:34 p.m.
I believe you can tap the tokens to give the creature flying due to they are not tapping themselves but are being tapped by the ability of Cloudgoat Ranger .
July 30, 2013 10:43 p.m.
Nightstlkr says... #4
if they are being tapped because of the ability, ranger's ability is an active ability and thus suffers from summoning sickness as well, no? or is this a case where you gave the ranger haste only?
July 30, 2013 10:47 p.m.
Well the the ranger does not need haste to activate its ability, it only needs three untapped kithkins. In the rule that you posted it states that if something forces them to tap they may do so. Hence the ranger may tap the kithkins even though they have summoning sickness.
July 30, 2013 10:54 p.m.
Summoning Sickness does not stop you from activating abilities that do not require tapping.
A creatures activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost cant be activated unless the creature has been under its controllers control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature cant attack unless it has been under its controllers control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the summoning sickness rule.
The way I understand this rule, provided the ability does not have the tap symbol in the cost, it is not affected by summoning sickness. Because you are activating Cloudgoat Ranger's ability, and not an ability of the tokens, you can tap them as part of the cost even though they have summoning sickness. However, I don't know the exact rule, so I summon Epochalyptik to confirm this.
July 30, 2013 10:55 p.m.
Ahem: "302.6. A creatures activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost cant be activated unless the creature has been under its controllers control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature cant attack unless it has been under its controllers control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the summoning sickness rule. "
July 30, 2013 11:14 p.m.
Darkness1835 says... #8
Here's the deal:
Creatures cannot tap the turn they come into play. This means if they have an ability with the tap symbol, it cannot be activated until next turn.However, if a creature's ability has a cost that reads something like "Tap three untapped elves you control", even creatures that currently have summoning sickness can be tapped for this effect. So yes, raithe000 is correct, and yes, you can use the ability when he has summoning sickness. It's the same reason Heritage Druid
was so powerful and crucial to LSV's grapeshot deck back in the day. I don't know the exact rule, but I'm 100% certain the abilities work this way.
July 30, 2013 11:16 p.m.
linkofhyrule says... #9
You can activate Cloudgoat Ranger 's ability as soon as he enters the battlefield, as he has no tap symbol in it. "summoning sickness" only affects tap/untap symbols and attacking.
July 30, 2013 11:45 p.m.
Darkness1835 says... #10
To remove all doubt, here's the oracle from Heritage Druid , a creature with the same type of ability as the ranger (his oracle was empty, for some reason)"Since the activated ability doesn't have a tap/untap symbol in its cost, you can tap creatures (including Heritage Druid itself) that haven't been under your control since your most recent turn began to pay the cost."
LethalOnBoard says... #1
Okay apparently it's Cloudgoat Ranger not cloud goat ranger. sorry, hope this helps!
July 30, 2013 9:55 p.m.