Can I use mill to counter top card arranging or revealing?
Asked by FYgaming 13 years ago
- Can I use my Mindshrieker's ability to response to my opponents ponder, milling my opponent's top card causing the first card arranged to be discarded and making him draw the second hand he/she arranged instead?
- Can I use Mindshrieker's ability to counter Delver of Secrets transformation when my opponent reveals the top card on his or her deck?
Epochalyptik says... #2
1) Yes. 's ability is put onto the stack, that's kind of your last chance to respond by milling your opponent. Once the ability begins to resolve, your opponent looks at and may reveal the top card of his or her library. You do not have priority to activate Mindshrieker's ability at this time.
May 8, 2012 7:42 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Edit: I did not properly read the first question; as AradonTemplar stated, you do not have priority during the resolution of a spell or ability so you can't mill the top card before the draw effect from Ponder happens. You can, however, mill the other cards before they would be drawn normally (what I thought you were asking).
May 8, 2012 7:43 p.m.
AradonTemplar says... #4
Epoch - You can indeed mess with their ability to order their library, but the stated question asks if you can interfere with which card they draw from the Ponder, which you can't. Whatever they leave on top of their library, they will definitely draw as part of the resolution of Ponder. However, if you suspect they left a valuable card second from top too, you can certainly mill that card before they would draw it from some other effect.
May 8, 2012 7:44 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #5
But remember that you can use Mindshrieker's ability before the Ponder begins resolving which has a chance of milling a good card or 2 that would be in the top 3 but there's no way to mill the cards after they have been looked at and re-arranged.
May 8, 2012 7:50 p.m.
ahaha Epochalyptik ninja'd, and then in turn ninja'ing AradonTemplar about ninja'ing
May 8, 2012 7:52 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #7
@BrokenZygoma While it would, indeed, be satisfying to mill off a good card before Ponder gets to see it, the cards at the top of their deck after you mill them are just as likely to be good as the ones you milled.
Because you don't know what's on top of their deck (usually), it's sheer random chance that will let you mill off a good card.
May 8, 2012 8:16 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
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May 8, 2012 8:18 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #9
@landgrafb Yes its a gamble I know, but if you need to block and you have extra mana it never hurts to mill a bit and pump your creature.
May 8, 2012 9:10 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #10
@landgrafb Yes its a gamble I know, but if you need to block and you have extra mana it never hurts to mill a bit and pump your creature.
May 8, 2012 9:10 p.m.
Looks like I need to accept that ponder is really a scary card and that unfair snapcaster mage.
I hope there is a standard card that turns both players deck upside-down revealing both player's top card all the time.
May 8, 2012 9:39 p.m.
Wouldn't that reveal the bottom card if the deck was upside down? =o
May 10, 2012 2:03 a.m.
O_O I don't know but for me I guess it was logical that even when you turn your deck up side down the top of card on the deck would be the one would be affected by mill but the difference is that each card is now face up and visible.
AradonTemplar says... Accepted answer #1
May 8, 2012 7:41 p.m.