a very unique situation
Asked by -Orvos- 10 years ago
Say i have Infinite Reflection on Shipbreaker Kraken and 3 other non-token creatures in play. All three of them can now become monstrious if i pay the cost, right? Which means they can all tap and keep tapped 4 cards and get 4 +1/+1 counters. Now if they all became monstrous and then some point later in the gamd the kraken with Infinite Reflection is killed what happens?
Would the creatures that were Shipbreaker Kraken retain some kind of monstrous" title" as well as the counters? And what of the creatures they tapped?
Rhadamanthus says... #2
When the rules text on a card uses that's card name, it means "this object, right here". The duration "for as long as you control Shipbreaker Kraken" will only end if you stop controlling that creature, not if it just somehow stops being a Shipbreaker Kraken.
December 28, 2014 1:58 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #3
raithe000 is correct on both counts.
If you want to make any one Shipbreaker Kraken monstrous, you must activate its own monstrosity ability. Monstrous is not a copiable characteristic. New copies of Shipbreaker Kraken will not be monstrous unless the objects they originally were (for example, if one of the creatures you controlled was a Fleecemane Lion) were monstrous as the copy effect was applied. Copies won't lose their monstrous status if they stop being copies of Shipbreaker Kraken. Further, counters are also not copiable, and they aren't added or removed based on the copy effect.
Note that Infinite Reflection doesn't specify a duration for the copy effect. Even if Infinite Reflection leaves the battlefield, the copies remain copies. However, if the copy effect is overridden without the permanent becoming a new object (i.e. if another copy effect applies to one of the copies), then the creatures tapped by its second ability as Shipbreaker Kraken will still remain tapped.
When a permanent uses its own name in its text without specifying "a card named," then the use is self-referential and means "this object right here." As long as you maintain continuous control of the object that was the source of the ability, the ability will still apply.
raithe000 says... #1
All three can become monstrous, but you must pay the costs individually, i.e. you can't make them all monstrous at once.
They definitely remain monstrous, as monstrous is not a copied characteristic but is now something inherent to the creatures. I think they will keep the other creatures tapped down, but i'm not 100% sure on that. My reasoning is that the ability is a triggered ability that resolved and changes a game rule for as long as you control the creature, so even though they lose the ability, since it resolved they will keep those creatures tapped down.
December 28, 2014 1:21 p.m.