-1/-1 until end of turn and proliferate
Asked by JesseS 13 years ago
My friend and I were playing an EDH game where he gave all my creatures -1/-1 until end of turn and then proceded to proliferate "that" to kill all remaining creatures. He seemed fairly confident that this was possible but still asked me to search more after I objected. I assumed that because the -1/-1 that was caused(by phyrexian-plaugelord was not specified as counters that they could not be proliferated.After some googling I was unable to find a similar question so I decided to turn to my fellow players.Two questions:My first question being, can this be done?My second question which pertains to effects like these; that cause -1/-1 until end of turn or something like battlecry where this is +1/+0 until end of turn. Are these changes in the creatures power and toughness considered "counters?"
rckclimber777 says... #2
It is as Epochalyptik says. Proliferate specifically states that you add to counters that are already there. Effects like Dismember specifically say target creature gets -x/-x till end of turn. As opposed to card:Black Sun's Zenith which specifically says counters.
So the answer to your second question which is no answers the first question as well.
January 1, 2012 3:45 p.m.
no counters from casted spell(ability is a spell).. nothin to proliferate...and making all your creatures gain 1 loss of power and toughness isnt a counter placed on them...so no counters no proliferate...
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
Your friend was wrong. A -X/-X effect does not use counters. An effect only uses counters if it SPECIFICALLY says it does.
You cannot proliferate counters that aren't there, and since -X/-X effects don't use counters, you cannot proliferate them.
January 1, 2012 1:06 p.m.