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Currently playing RG Titanshift in modern while I revise my Abzan list (and patiently wait for the bans i'm hoping are coming in January), playing BUG Landstill in Legacy as i've grown somewhat bored of Shardless BUG, and Teferi Walker in EDH.

Also trying to figure out if I like Doomsday Leovold as a list, as I keep dying whenever I think it's a good spot to cast Doomsday, with either Lab Man as the last card, or with Lab Man on the stack. It's getting increasingly frustrating.

TheOnlyCub says... #1

Sorry, would prefer nm cards.

March 20, 2017 8:09 a.m.

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Consider birthing pod and twin. Both were tier one both in power level as well as popularity. Both where arguably too good for the format, and as such, both were banned.

Now consider Amulet Bloom. By your rankings, Amulet Bloom would be tier 3 at best, if we go by popularity. The deck was super hard to pilot, and people didn't want to invest in cards that were only good for one deck. Despite being less than 1% of the meta, the deck was one of the two best decks in the meta, besides twin, and it wasn't even close. If you were trying to spike a tournament, and you weren't using one of those two decks, you were doing something wrong.

There is a difference between popularity and power level, and even though power level isn't really quantifiably measurable, I think it's wrong to assume they're the same.

March 21, 2017 1:23 p.m.

Lol, well, regardless of the title I do like the actual list. Very useful.

March 20, 2017 8:14 p.m.

Hell, maybe I've got it reversed and most people assume you're talking deck popularity when you say tier. But no one I've ever spoken to in magic discussion has ever used the word tier to describe a decks popularity in the format.

March 20, 2017 8:13 p.m.

There are "tiers of popularity", and "tiers of power level". They aren't the same thing, and when you solely say "this deck is tier 1", you are referring to its power level. If you want to specify that you are speaking of "this deck is tier one in popularity in this format", you need to specify that, as the first assumption one thinks of when you say "tier" is the actual power level of the deck on the format.

March 20, 2017 8:05 p.m.

EverythingIsK while I completely disagree about a decks tier in a format having anything to do with its popularity, I think that is a very interesting list as it definitely helps to figure out what decks need sideboard hate at the moment.

A tier is how good a deck is in a meta, not how much of that deck is currently floating around. Correlation does not imply causation, a basic rule of statistics. Good decks tend to be popular, but just because a deck is popular doesn't mean it's good.

March 20, 2017 1:10 p.m.

Said on H: Cash W: ......


I have most of legacy elves for trade/sale, bayou's and fetchlands excluded, but all of it is LP and some of it has been altered / are foils. The four Cradles, Wirewood Symbiotes and Elvish Visionaries have been altered (and I understand if you just want to pick up regular versions). If you're interested in picking up LP copies of the cards, let me know.

March 19, 2017 6:05 p.m.

Said on H: 4x Lion's ......


KIngWiggins Are you trying to get cash for the LED's with the purpose of buying other cards? If you are, is there anything specific that you're looking for?

March 19, 2017 5:48 p.m.

/shrug, why not? I like the way it looks. And it's burn. That extra tilt factor isn't irelivant.

March 16, 2017 11:44 a.m.

I know this is the wrong format, but since it shares some of the same cards I figured I'd post it here. I'm working on a fully white bordered legacy burn list. Not done yet, but if anyone's interested in seeing the progress I've been making, here's the Reddit post

March 15, 2017 8:08 p.m.

Sorry you can't find anywhere to play man, that sucks. Though if there are ever any GP's or SCG opens near you, you can always go (regardless of the main format) and play in legacy side events all weekend.

Different note, if anyone wants to check it out, I'm making a completely white bordered legacy burn list (except for the mountains, they're gonna be black bordered).

March 15, 2017 8:05 p.m.

I haven't checked out these rankings in a little while, but what does Seton, Krosan Protector do that makes him tier 2.5 while Azusa, Lost but Seeking is tier 3?

In fact, there are at minimum three generals in the tier 2.5 list that I feel are straight worse than Azusa. I think her placement should be reevaluated.

March 12, 2017 6:44 p.m.


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