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Ive seen a lot of discussion both here, and on the modern Reddit forums, discussing playing JTMS turn four.

Unless you are in an extremely commanding board position, or an extremely shitty board position and your only out is to try and bait your opponent into killing your JTMS, or some plan regarding terminus (either it being in your hand or you needing to find it in the top 3), you dont want to slam jtms down on turn 4.

The times you DO want to play him:

  • your opponent had 1-2 creatures on board who cannot kill jtms (mana dorks)

  • your opponent has 1-2 creatures on board who cannot kill jtms if you bounce one of them (one mana dork and one threat)

  • board is clear and you dont lose to combo if you tap out

  • board is full of enemy dudes and you need to find a sweeper, and your opponent cant just alpha you

  • you can protect him via t1-3 creatures

In this case, mono u tron would almost never be trying to slam a jtms t4, so having two islands t4 isnt really a concern.

February 13, 2018 3:23 p.m.

Well... that's interesting. But that's also not gonna start until their turn 3 as they need the second land in play for temporal mastery. Also don't think that's going to be a very common deck choice, mono blue as fortold is super rare to run into.

February 12, 2018 7:26 p.m.

@APPLE01DOJ How does it go off turn two? You mean just randomly hitting terminus? Or telling time? It's not a combo deck, it doesn't really go off.

February 12, 2018 6:45 p.m.

I am 100% thrilled

February 12, 2018 12:52 p.m.

Said on UB Taigam Test ......


I get where youre coming from about the commander not really adding value to the combo. Ive just personally noticed an increase in creature combo decks in my meta like Captain Sisay and Bloodpod and figured having a general able to get through the spell tax effects, set up your draws for a grindy game, and then kill specific lock pieces would be useful. Sort of how like how Jeleva is rarely cast in her deck, but when the game has ground to a halt, her effect gives you something to do to get back into the game.

Taigam helps you only hit gas in your draw steps while also keeping problematic combo creatures/hate bears off the board in a long game.

February 6, 2018 6:16 p.m.

Ive always thought that tier = power level, not popularity (and popularity is basically meta share), but when I posted that in the modern forum like six months/year ago, I got shot down by everyone and told that tier = meta share (popularity), not power level. So Im now a bit confused.

Either way, I dont think its a huge issue, I just think some clarification about what exactly cEDH is would be useful for multiple reasons, listed above.

February 6, 2018 5:43 p.m.

Agree with what has been said. I think a lot of confusion comes from the title of this page. The title EDH generals by tier is itself confusing. Tier is popularity, and decks tend to be popular because they are strong. But for EDH, there are plenty of extremely popular generals, far more popular than the generals on the Tier 1 list, but they arent there because we are ranking the generals for cEDH power level.

If we were to create a true tier list, I cant imagine not having Atraxa on that list, or Ramos/The Ur Dragon. Those three are far, FAR more popular than anything on our tier 1-2 lists, regardless of the build.

I think we need to rename this thread if possible so as to not be disingenuous. We cant call this an EDH tier list when in reality it has long since been a cEDH general power ranking list. I think changing the name would go a long way towards stopping people posting personal lists and then feeling offended/getting hurt feelings because theyre told their decks arent good.

Now dont get me wrong, I love this list and the work put into it. Having all these decklists available is fantastic for the cEDH community; the hive mind at its best. But I think at this point we do need to be clearer about what this list actually is, especially as it is by far the most popular/frequented/useful thread on this site.

Tagging sonnet666 as he seems to be the mod who frequents this the most these days.

February 6, 2018 12:39 p.m.

I think we should put somewhere in this thread something along the lines of "while casual and competitive are both states of mind, we are looking for technical competitive decks" or something similar. Maybe add a definition of what "competitive EDH" actually is so that people don't think that their semi-competitive deck actually is what WE consider to be cEDH.

I know that in the description we state that these decks are supposed to be the best possible build, that they aren't supposed to be personal decks etc. etc., but I think it needs to be in MUCH bigger text so that it's clearly visible. Maybe code the background of this page to show a simple "please remember that these are theoretical decks built to be the best possible build. Please do not post your own personal list." Or something.

I think the majority of EDH players are people who have a semi competitive mind set and like to build good decks that can win, but aren't necessarily playing or building real "cEDH" decks. They consider themselves competitive, they consider their decks competitive, but they're not something that would be posted as a decklist in this thread.

They come here, post their decks, and then we get into arguments with them with us taking the stance that their decks are not competitive, and them getting offended and claiming they are because they feel we are personally attacking them. And then we get ticked off because this happens at least once a week, explain that these are supposed to be the best decks possible, etc. etc., hurt their feelings, and move on. They are left with a bad aftertaste thinking we're assholes, and we're left shaking our heads because they just don't "get it". This cycle seems to happen at least two-three times a month, and I feel like it's leaving a negative impression of what cEDH is. And considering that most people don't really LIKE cEDH because it goes against what most want out of the format, I think we should be focusing on making a good impression as much as possible.

February 5, 2018 3:40 p.m.


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