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Proxies are so widely accepted that banning on the premise of price is inherently deleterious to the format. Use proxies, or don't. The cards are old as all heck and if you're mad some cards out of 16k are expensive, you should probably look at the price of stuff like Imperial Seal , Nether Void , The Abyss , Chains of Mephistopheles . All of these cards are legal and that's just fine. They are good cards more people should have access to.

And high mana cost combos aren't worth banning smh. Cool they do a lot, leave them legal. None are anywhere as silly as Consultation/Flash Hulk and those arent being discussed for a ban.

There are legitimately problematic things in the format (Tymna), but 3 card 4 or 5+ mana combos are fine even if they literally win you the game. Why? You gotta find those cards and cast them without being interacted with. Good luck.

August 23, 2019 2:11 p.m.

Dig Through Time isn't banned in edh but the site is acting up

August 22, 2019 6:07 p.m.

I think Griselbrand is kinda in the same boat as Yawgmoth's Bargain . He's harder to get out, and theres more applicable removal, but owwie you can draw 35 cards or more. I like the idea of GriselUnbanned because he would likely be a tier 2 commander, but would it make the Flash hulk decks splash reanimator and just speed up the meta?

How about unbanning Braids before Griselbrand? :D

August 22, 2019 5:55 p.m.

My point was that Aetherflux+Angels Grace when presented as a combo would fail because you cannot pay negative life for a thing, unlike Ad Naus which loses life but not the game. Ofc using it at 50 would work. You still lose on endstep either way.

And a 2 card 5 mana combo isn't as scary as it used to be. That's why Deadeye is legal. Its a hefty cost for some hefty value.

August 21, 2019 5:02 p.m.

Its more the not losing clause. Losing life makes you lose life. Angels Grace stops a large instance of damage from putting you below 1 and stops you from losing the game for that turn. I dont think that means you can pay life you don't have to Aetherflux though.

August 21, 2019 4:02 p.m.

Cough and Coalition Victory is fine it doesn't punish players per se, but maybe casual players would hate it? I dont know. Not Sway of the Stars please no. 4 horseman is banned for the same reason. 12 hour games arent feasible.

Wasn't worldfire banned because of Jhoira? Float mana, wildfire comes off suspend, Shock, bolt, magma spray

Biorhythm maybe isn't that bad though. People ramp up to 8 mana on turn 3 or 4 and cast it, wham, they had a perfect hand.

I think other wincons are better than Coalition/Rhythm (bear in mind, of the 3 sorceries, I only have experience with Biorhythm, and Sway of the Stars)

Sorry for a doublepost. Mobile doesnt allow edits

August 19, 2019 11:52 a.m.

I like the card Stasis as someone who has never played the card themselves. Its an interesting ability, and it kills itself if you dont have a deck designed to deal with breaking Untap parity incessantly somehow (Teferi being the only consistent way, Derevi can extend its existence but could afford to run different cards)

Stasis is an incessant mana sink that hinders the caster more than its opponents if you haven't built a deck properly. If you have, why take a not great tool away from a deck? You have opportunities the whole time to stop a 2 cmc every turn mana sink. Flash, on the other hand, with the EXACT SAME CMC, and multiple types of interaction at different points or a specific tool like stifle are necessary to stop, is fine apparently.

Tolarian academy would push Urza into tier 0? Or just make it even better. If PE was too great for Urza, Tolarian is like steroids. Land count drops a bit, stabbiness increases. If prophet were also unbanned, quite scary in conjunction.

Prophet, too, shouldn't be unbanned. A 5 cmc card like PE, but it does the do on its own -- Deck type is meaningless to it. Paradox engine required caring about what percentage of your deck would be castable in certain scenarios. However, it being such a hefty mana costed card, perhaps it could be briefly unbanned to see what happened lmao[no]. (Flash Grind hulk, HYAH!)

SynergyBuild sorry I was pointing out that it is a card that well represents OP card design. Life total being 40 in commander doesn't make it any crazier than the card already is was my point.

I think we would all have to list different things we thought added to the philosophy of EDH/cEDH, and that would take a while. Or we could set up strict ass rules like Modern had and just be sad for every Twin or PE incident.

August 19, 2019 11:42 a.m.

Unban:

Paradox Engine? I love the card and think its honestly a little dinky for competitive. Its a must counter(sometimes), but there are so many 1 mana answers for it that are already ubiquitous. I feel it was being pushed out of CEDH slowly in lieu of more efficient cards, and the banning horribly damaged some decks ability to... Well, play the game. Perhaps they hinged to hard on Engine. Perhaps more untappity tiptapperoos will be printed. I think it was a card that engendered creativity.

TypicalTimmy Heres my .02 Emrakul could definitely be unbanned and we likely wouldn't feel it in cEdh, casual tables likely wouldn't much either. I think Emrakul as a commander would be a pretty hilarious, though terrible, deck. And decks designed to cheat it out would get a bit of a boon. Maybe combat damage would matter?

Braids doesn't deserve to be banned. Its hilarious that such a meh card is worthy of the list. Same with Iona. Both aren't very good, in all honesty, and a mildly competent casual table that actually had interaction in their decks could deal with them.

SynergyBuild Channel facilitates 39 (19 mana with 20 max life would still be enough) mana on turn 0-1. Idk what you'd do with it, but I don't think the life total change is as relevant for channel as it is for a card that digs through your deck. Channel is a one shot, goodbye. Usually Bargain would be too, but not always. There's more depth there.

August 18, 2019 6:23 p.m.

Banning stasis/stax stuff is pointless, stax is terrible. If all the white stax pieces were unbanned, maybe white would be a color in commander-- tenuously.

August 18, 2019 10:39 a.m.

Ban: Flash Why: 2cmc wincons aren't okay. Channel is banned for the same reason.

August 18, 2019 10:37 a.m.

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