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Said on New Hub: Tutorless...

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legendofa In the meantime, can you change "Theme/Gimmick" to "Theme/Restriction"?

July 16, 2019 1:58 a.m. Edited.

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Metroid_HybridKongMing Please don't resort to ad hominem. Making assumptions about someone's personality and using them to try and undermine that person's opinion is not a staple of mature discussions. Please afford me the respect I am due just as I afford you the respect you are due. I am making a valid points and I am not taking any of this personally.

Ultimately, I was invited to lend my voice to a discussion of the addition of a new tag. For reasons I have stated, I disagree with the addition of the tutorless tag. However, the decision to add that tag does not fall to me, nor do we all need to be in agreement for it to be added or revoked. The decision falls to legendofa. Will I be upset if it is added? Of course not; why should I be? If anything, I'll be happy that a conclusion was reached after thorough discussion.

July 15, 2019 12:20 a.m.

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"Is consistency a gimmick?"

I also said that "theme/gimmick" needs to be changed to "theme/restriction". Gimmick carries a connotation and is redundant with "theme". Please don't put words in my mouth.

"Tutors can also severely increase the dollar value of a deck, even a deck that would not be considered 'Budget' to begin with."

If I have a $2000 deck and I exclude tutors so that it doesn't become $3500, that is a budget decision. At that point it is a competitive deck on a budget, since compared to competitive decks it is cheap. Legacy Reanimator is a prime example of this. Your own definition of a budget is not the universal definition of such. Budget Vintage decks are still thousands of dollars, and yet they fit within the budget category.

"Budget is a hub, not a format. Why would tutorless be?"

Budget is a hub because it is an overarching decision attributed to a deck, which I guess tutorless can also be. The issue with tutorless is, as I have said, that it sets the precedent for "exileless", "instantless", "graveyardless", ect. It adds clutter to the list of hubs that can easily be covered by "Theme/Restriction". It is, again, not an archetype. The precedent it sets also allows "Ladies Facing Left", "Chair Tribal", or "Five-Drop Tribal" to be perfectly legitimate inclusions.

"When you choose to make a deck tutorless, is not a matter of changing its format, it is a matter of picking between archetypical consistency options."

What? That is such a non-statement. If I don't run tutors of COURSE I'm going to be running synergistic cards in their place. I'm not going to be running nonsynergistic cards or leaving the slot empty. That's a factual statement about Magic the Gathering and conscious thought, not a deck archetype.

July 13, 2019 3:06 p.m.

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legendofa A deck that doesn't include a certain card for sake of budget should just use the existing tag, "Budget". This is such a nonsensical request that you are within your right to refuse.

July 10, 2019 2:55 p.m.

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Again, tutorless is not a deck archetype; it instead fits the definition of an alternative format. There is no archetype payoff for not including tutors and instead it is an arbitrary deckbuilding restriction not unlike Tiny Leaders or Penny Dreadful.

The precedent set by making "tutorless" a deck tag is that "graveyardless", "exileless", "removalless", "boardwipeless" have perfectly legitimate grounds for inclusion. In all honesty, Creatureless should not be a tag on this site. To cover this request, I suggest that "Theme/Gimmick" be changed to "Theme/Restriction". Gimmick comes with a negative connotation and is also redundant with Theme. If "Tutorless" grows in popularity, for whatever reason, then it would become a format and not a deck tag.

July 10, 2019 2:45 p.m.

Chasmolinker Whatever you did worked, since it is fixed now.

June 28, 2019 4:34 p.m.

Is something wrong with TappedOut? The special formatting that this deck tech had isn't present.

June 27, 2019 9:51 p.m.

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