Noob Q: Blood Lust type plays
Asked by Chalkarts 12 years ago
When i played over 10 years ago powers that gave negative toughness couldn't actually kill a creature, for example Blood Lust which gave +4/-4 didnt' kill the critter it altered. Is that still the case?
Jace the Firebrand says... #2
Blood Lust , specifically, has changed as of 11/1/2005. here' s the oracle text followed by the ruling
If target creature has toughness 5 or greater, it gets +4/-4 until end of turn. Otherwise, it gets +4/-X until end of turn, where X is its toughness minus 1.
Has changed slightly in functionality, with the old continuous nature of the toughness reduction gone away; the toughness change remains static. For example, if you have three Swamps and Nightmare on the battlefield and then cast Blood Lust on it, it will become 7/1. If one of your Swamps is subsequently destroyed, your Nightmare will become 6/0 and be put in the graveyard.that being said, anything that has a 0 toughness when state-based effects are checked dies instantly. I hope that answers your question
September 11, 2012 11:48 p.m.
Chibisukei says... #4
No, any time a creature's toughness falls to 0, it is destroyed. Indestructible creatures will also die to loss of toughness.
September 11, 2012 11:48 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
@Chibisukei: Creatures with 0 or less toughness are not destroyed, they're just placed in their owner's graveyards. This is important because if it were a destroy effect, it would not kill indestructible creatures.
September 11, 2012 11:49 p.m.
Chibisukei says... #6
sorry, thats what I meant, I just said destroy because it was easier to say without realizing the importance of the wording
September 11, 2012 11:51 p.m.
sounds like everyone's confused about the middle eastern magic card
September 12, 2012 1:28 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
The reason Blood Lust worked this way is because it has always had special rules text specifically saying it's effect doesn't reduce the creature's toughness below 1. If a -/- effect doesn't have any special text like this, then it can reduce a creature's toughness below 1, and it has always been true in the rules that a creature with 0 or less toughness is put into the graveyard.
September 12, 2012 9:39 a.m.
GreatSword says... #9
I thought Ichor Explosion would be the middle eastern card? (Oh, that's terrible)
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
I don't know how the rules used to be, but this is the current rule:
This is a state-based action.September 11, 2012 11:48 p.m.