Daring Thief and a game mechanic abuse
Asked by DrFuzzyGloves 10 years ago
I have talked to an official judge about this and had it confirmed, but I would like to just extra confirm it before I use it sometime and end up in trouble. Haha, so here it is.
Daring Thief's inspired effect triggers. Then in response to TARGET SELECTION, that part being key, you remove the target on your side of the field, either bounce to hand, in my case its usually with Hour of Need. Then the thiefs effect resolves, giving you their creature, and yours to them, but you no longer have a creature, so they get nothing. The judge said the fact that you no longer have the creature does not alter the fact that their creature was targeted, and you will gain control of it even though you no longer control the targeted creature on your side. Its a tricky situation that can alter the game, but knowing for sure it works is key to the deck. He said the only way it wouldn't work, is if they made a card specific ruling he doesn't know about.
A similar example is somebody destroying whip of erebos after activation, the cards effect is on the stack regardless of the card being there.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #3
Sorry, that's wrong.
First, you can't respond to target selection. You respond to the spell, the ability, or you don't respond.
Second, an exchange only takes place if it can happen in its entirety. If one half of the exchange is missing, you can't exchange anything.
Always read the Gatherer rulings before asking a question. And mention this to that judge.
4/26/2014: If the full exchange cant happen, perhaps because one of the targets is illegal as the inspired ability tries to resolve, then nothing happens. No permanents change controllers.
December 1, 2014 12:22 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
And the above is not a card-specific ruling, by the way. It applies to all exchange mechanics.
December 1, 2014 12:22 p.m.
DrFuzzyGloves says... #5
Epochalyptik i had read those before even consulting that judge actually, but somehow missed that section.
Slycne says... #1
Unless all the targets become illegal a spell or an ability will continue to resolve to the best of its ability, taking as many actions as it can, as long as one of the targets is still legal. So yes, you'd get your opponents permanent and they would get nothing.
December 1, 2014 12:14 p.m.