Indestructible Vs. Trample + Double Strike?
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Posted on March 23, 2014, 2:55 p.m. by PyroTown
Alright, let me start from the beginning. As far as I learned through playing Magic with my friends, Trample only deals damage to a player if blocking/defending creature dies.
My first question is about just that, does the trample creature have to kill the other creature for trample to work?
My next question involves an example:
Creature A is a 5/5 double strike, trample.Creature B is a 4/4 Indestructible.
Creature A is on the attack and is blocked by creature B. My question here is the following:
Does creature B's toughness get reduced to 0 on the first strike damage and then creature A's full 5 regular strike damage go through? Or does creature B's toughness remains and creature A's regular strike damage is reduced by the 4 toughness again?
Appreciate any answers, thanks!
Remyth is correct. Trample damage doesn't care if the blocking creature dies, only that it was dealt enough to normally be considered lethal.
March 23, 2014 3:15 p.m.
Additionally, damage being dealt would not reduce the creature's toughness to 0. It just marks 4 points of damage on it.
March 23, 2014 3:17 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #6
1) Damage doesn't reduce toughness. It's simple counted.
2) The way trample damage works is that you need to deal lethal damage to creatures blocking you and then you MAY deal the remaining damage to the defending player/planeswalker,
3) Lethal damage is damage necessary to kill a creature, i.e. equal to or more than it's toughness. (whether or not that damage would be prevented, or not be lethal due to indestructibilty is irrelevant)
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In your scenario, your creature would deal 4 points of damage to creature B during the first strike step and 1 to the player. Then another 5 to the player. Creature A would take 4 damage and survive, creature b would take lethal damage at 4 but survive because lethal damage can't destroy it.
Remyth says... #2
The only difference between trample damage vs regular damage is that with trample, it will go over the top of blocks if able. If you attack with a 3/3 trample and there are no blocks, it deals 3 damage. If it is blocked by a 1/1, 2 damage will carry over to the player.
I believe in the situation you presented, of the 10 damage presented by Creature A, 4 are blocked by Creature B and 6 damage is dealt to the player, with both creatures living to tell the tale. (others with a higher understanding of the game may dispute this)
March 23, 2014 3:08 p.m.