PasorofMuppets says... #3
I am torn between Krual Warrior and the Gorgon. Both are good, but I'm not sure which is better in this situation.
July 24, 2013 4:56 p.m.
GureiSeion says... #4
At first I was critical of how many +1/+1 counters we'd had in a given game. Then I realized the built-in deathtouch. I'm not against her.
July 24, 2013 5:20 p.m.
+1 Bug Warrior.
We already saw a Korozda Gorgon in an earlier pack, and I'm willing to take a gamble and bet that the first one will table back to us. If we get it, sweet, if not, no big loss (remember, we still need 1 more dual source before we can even attempt to splash black).
What I don't think we need though is more then 1 creature, maybe 2, with a cmc of 5+. We are already rocking 4 solid ones. We probably aren't going to want more then 6 at the most.
As I've mentioned before, I'm not a fan of bears in a format of gatekeepers, but the Bug Warrior is a nice exception. Being able to use him as a 5/5 later in the game is a nice bonus since it gives them more of a late game relevance especially if both decks start a top decking war.
July 24, 2013 7:15 p.m.
+1 Kraul Warrior
It get BIG. I haven't been able to activate its ability twice (yet!) but being able to become a 5/5 is definitely relevant.
July 24, 2013 11:23 p.m.
GureiSeion says... #9
Majority's on the warrior. Will give it another hour before firing the submission.
July 25, 2013 12:24 a.m.
Well, if we want to splash Black I'd rather have our black sources be on our cluestones and gates rather then have to run more swamps then we have to.
At least this way if we are running black it also functions as a red when we don't need the black as opposed to one more swamp that is essentially colorless mana 99% of the time.
If we aren't splashing black though Boros Clue is definitely better.
Essentially we need at least 6 sources of one color to even consider splashing it. With the Rakdos Keyrune we would only have to run 2 Swamps instead of 3 to meet the magical #6.
July 25, 2013 6:06 a.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #16
I really disagree about having six sources for a a splash, depending on how heavy of a splash we're talking. If we're just splashing for 1-3 cards (for say a late drop like Maze Abomination (hello hello)), I've found that the neighborhood of 2-4 black sources is all that's really necessary and adding more just dilutes the mana base.
July 25, 2013 6:49 a.m.
GureiSeion says... #17
Well, I'm only seeing two black cards currently in our pool, and doubt we'll collect enough additional ones for "legitimate splashing." Did we still want to use the Skeleton? If not, personally I'm fine with prioritizing fixing our devoted colors over one combat trick's boost.
July 25, 2013 7:02 a.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #18
I'm going to go ahead and say +1 Steeple Roc. We're likely to find cluestones in spades and if we're lucky we'll also fine an on color guildgate at some point.
July 25, 2013 7:48 a.m.
Guys, the plasm capture is going to hurt us pretty badly. We have so many high cmc creatures. I really think we should hate draft the plasm capture
July 25, 2013 9:45 a.m.
And I do agree with TheHorse. If we're only splashing black for well, we really don't need 6 mana sources
July 25, 2013 9:48 a.m.
We really do not need the Roc.
He's a terrible creature and he should feel bad about being a terrible creature.
Having both Flying and First Strike has made him cost way more then it should for the body size that he has, and the first strike is pretty such irrelevant since like half the things that can block him have enough toughness to survive the first strike and kill him anyway.
I mean the only relevant things that he can not get blocked and killed by are Ascended Lawmage, Wind Drake, Rakdos Drake, and Mossdog.
Pretty much everything else has 4 or more toughness including the common, Maze Glider (which I'm still somewhat convinced could very well dominate this draft since I can't think of any good solutions to actually deal with that thing).
Roc, with his 1 toughness, on the other hand, is a giant liability when an opponent can 0-1 with what is very likely going to be the most popular common removal of the format, Ubul Sar Gatekeepers.
Not to mention the Roc is also 5cmc which will compete with Wolfie and the Gorgon, if they table and we want to try splashing black to run them.
Ok, we might not need 6 sources since most black that we would want to use are higher cmc anyways, and 6 was the number I do tend to use for needing that color at a lower cmc value.
Yeah, doing some math 6 may be overkill if we plan to use it for 5cmc and higher.
On the play, if my math is correct, if we run 6 black sources having a black source by turn 4 is about ~85% and just under ~50% of drawing double.
If we run 5 black sources having a black source by turn 4 is about ~78% and about ~36% of drawing double.
If we run 4 black sources having a black source by turn 4 is about ~70% and about ~25% of drawing double.
If we run 3 black sources having a black source by turn 4 is about ~58% and about ~15% of drawing double.
Yeah, 6 might be too much. 5 or 4 might be a much better option.
Even if we don't need 6 sources and only need 4 though. I'd still vote for the Rakdos Cluestone. It'll be our 4th black source that we can run which means that we don't have to use a single swamp, and I'd much rather have our black sources be on cluestones and gates then have to run more swamps.
If you think we don't even need 4 sources and prefer 3 then the Boros one is better.
July 25, 2013 3:37 p.m.
GureiSeion says... #22
All I'm certain of at this point is that I'd like a fourth Cluestone to help hit that 5th mana, and it'd be nice if it were red. x_x
July 25, 2013 4:50 p.m.
Yeah, that's another point. It would be nice if Red was largely on our gates and stones as well since while the ones that we have are strong, we don't have a lot of red cards.
July 25, 2013 5:07 p.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #24
Based on what's been said, I'm fine with grabbing the Rakdos Cluestone; however, Maze Abomination is a tempting morsel.
July 25, 2013 5:08 p.m.
...I totally forgot about the Maze Abomination...
Hmm, hard choice...
Supersun says... #1
I am reeeeeeealy tempted about that Korozda Gorgon.
We only really need 1 more dual source to potentially use black, and we already saw another Korozda Gorgon that could very easily table back around to us.
I wouldn't be terribly dissapointed with the Bug Warrior though since Korozda Gorgon does compete with the wolf dog as the 5 cmc spot.
July 24, 2013 3:15 a.m.