Happymaster19 Deckspert

@clayperce I don't want to be in ankward situations with off color Pacts but I have thought about Pact of Negation as a sideboard piece.

You already have Gifted Aetherborn and Kalitas. Seeker wants you to go wider than this more midrangey build.

It's on the edge for me. I think it works a bit better in B/W since they have access to Lingering Souls and Bitterblossom. It could allow me to trim back a land by filling the role of Celestial Colonnade. I'm keeping it in the back of my mind.

As opposed to something with more reach like Terminate?

I mentioned before. Liliana and Copter never needed any special synergies to be good. Tribal decks are about creature synergies. Everything outside of that needs to be as independently powerful as possible. I will never ever ever be able to cast Temper on turn 1.

True. At that, I leave it to cplvela0811's explanation of Bolt over Temper.

YamishiTheWickedOne I'm confused. Fiery Temper good, Alms of the Vein bad?

cplvela0811 And still not good enough.

I think Lightning Bolt being Lightning Bolt will be more consistent than Open Fire we can Lightning Bolt only with a discard the outlet. You don't have to be super committed to madnessing things in. Sometimes you just actually discard things. Liliana and Copter never needed madness to make them good. We're. It plying them to abuse Falkenrath Gorger. We're playing Gorger to abuse them.

Thoughts?

Oh snap. Hmm. I'll test it out.

Yeeeeeah. I see now. That was briefly between Eldritch Moon (Geier Reach Sanitarium) and Kaladesh (Smuggler's Copter). Copter essentially Negated the need for a clunky, slow land in a faster aggro shell.

YamishiTheWickedOne I think it used to be in here but with the bounty of other free discard outlets, Geier Reach Sanitarium just felt too mana intensive.

Do you think Sanctum Seeker's Brutal Hordechief trigger is worth it at four mana? Or is it better to just keep the curve lower and make it Stromkirk Captain instead?

cplvela0811 It is VERY consistently active as a two mana lord and has more flexibility than Liliana and Copter as a discard outlet. Even though all of them only activate once per turn, Condemned can activate at instant speed on any player's turn. The only mark against him is his late game topdeck value on an empty board. But most cards in our deck frankly aren't much better in the same situation.

I REALLY want Gifted Aetherborn somewhere in the 75. But in the main he dilutes our anthems. And in the sideboard, he is debatable. I'm sticking with Collective Brutality to fill a similar role.

New Blood is not modern legal.

I want to. I really want to. There's just already a lot going on a two mana. I definitely have it on my mind. If you have thoughts on what to cut, I'm open to discussion.

We don't have enough creatures to get Kytheon to flip and Oath sounds sweet but a three mana 1/1 is just blah. Also I want to run enough Gideons to make the emblem work but that doesn't necessarily mean it's enough to get full value out of Oath.