Deceiver of Form and Mutating AFTER combat?
Asked by personwhoplays 3 years ago
If I have a Deceiver of Form in play, then go to combat. Say I reveal a Golden Bear. All my creatures other than deceiver of form become copies of Golden Bear until end of turn. If I target a creature that was turned into a Golden Bear with mutate, what happens at the end of turn? Does the creature lose the mutated parts due to reverting to it's previous state? Or does only the Bear part revert back?
Let's say you have a Grizzly Bears that's a copy of Golden Bear and you mutate Gemrazer under it, leaving Grizzly Bears on top. You'll have a 4/3 with Reach and Trample (and the trigger), and if you then play Clone copying it you'll have another 4/3 with those abilities. Both will be named Golden Bear. This is because the copy and mutate effects are both applied in layer 1 in timestamp order, and set the copyable characteristics. After the turn ends, you'll have a 2/2 Grizzly Bears and a 4/3 Golden Bear, both of which have Trample, Reach, and the triggered ability (and mutate, if that comes up, but that only really matters on the stack). This is because the first effect on Grizzly Bears wore off, but the second still applied, and the Clone only cares about what the copyable characteristics were at the time when it copied.
If instead you mutate Gemrazer on top, you'll have two Gemrazers after the turn ends, and considering they'd both be 4/4s, that would probably be the better play.
September 19, 2020 2:15 a.m.
The short version is that the copy effect will wear off but the mutation will stay. The creature will be whatever it was before the Deceiver of Form trigger except with whatever the mutation adds.
September 22, 2020 1:06 p.m.
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September 23, 2020 4:11 p.m.
personwhoplays says... #5
I'm so sorry! I got busy and forgot I asked this question.
Thank you for marking it for me Caerwyn!
And thank you to Neotrup for answering my question!
DragonSliver9001 says... #1
what exactly are you thinking would cause it to lose the mutated cards? i'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.
September 19, 2020 1:47 a.m.