Overlooked card in edh Vanishing
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on April 2, 2019, 9:32 p.m. by Joe_Ken_
So this is a card I came across while building my Geist of Saint Traft deck, making it into an aura Voltron build.
Anyways I would like to talk about how good this card can be with protecting your commander and anything equipped to them since it lets you make your creature phase out and after looking up the rules for phasing the creature will also take all auras and equipment with it while being phased out which can be extremely useful in any deck that needs to keep their commander protected.
Now since it doesn't say that it gives the creature the phase out ability you can also use it on an opponents creature or commander since you still keep control of the enchantment giving it a good amount of versatility in any deck carrying blue.
Here would be the rule I found in case I am mistaken.
702.25f When a permanent phases out, any Auras, Equipment, or Fortifications attached to that permanent phase out at the same time. This alternate way of phasing out is known as phasing out "indirectly." An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won't phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it's attached to.
This is actually a great find cause it's pretty good protection in general, but also aids with commanders where their main point is their etb. For example Fblthp, the Lost .
April 3, 2019 2:21 a.m.
SpiralWolfos says... #4
dbpunk Wouldn't Fblthp, the Lost get shuffled back into the library due to being targeted by Vanishing?
Regardless, it seems like a pretty cool card.
April 3, 2019 2:54 a.m.
Last_Laugh says... #5
Phasing back in doesn't trigger etb's... the permanent technically never changed zones (thus the reason auras stay on). This card, as the OP pointed out, is best in a voltron build or a deck where you're 100% built around your commander and it's paramount to your decks strategy (or both like Narset, Enlightened Master ).
April 3, 2019 3:09 a.m.
Also the mana to phase is the normal amount of mana for a notorious counterspell so odds are it could also throw off your opponents from using those powerful cards in the first place.
April 3, 2019 9:51 a.m.
CrimsonChaos says... #9
I still don't believe that Fblthp, the Lost can be used with Vanishing , as the enchantment needs to target him before it can be applied in the first place, which triggers the effect to shuffle him into your library. You won't be able to activate Vanishing 's effect because Fblthp will already be gone before the enchantment stuck to him, and I believe Vanishing would just fizzle out and disappear to the graveyard immediately after because its intended target is no longer on the field.
April 3, 2019 3:46 p.m.
CrimsonChaos - not technically true, though, in effect, this will almost always be the case.
Auras only target when they are cast, so, if you cast the aura targetting Fblthp, the Lost , Fblthp, the Lost will be shuffled into your library (or placed in the command zone if he is your commander and you choose to apply the replacement effect).
But only aura spells target--auras do not. If you cheat the aura onto the battlefield directly, so it enters as a permanent, you are allowed to attach the aura to a legal object for it to enchant. This process does not target, so would get around Fblthp, the Lost 's ability. Practically, this would never happen if Fblthp, the Lost was your commander--the only viable option you would have is Reweave , which involves chance and isn't worth playing in the first place.
As Last_Laugh already covered, phasing will not cause Fblthp, the Lost 's ability to trigger, so it would not be ideal regardless.
April 3, 2019 4:01 p.m.
CrimsonChaos says... #12
Ah, okay I see your point cdkime. In any case, I do agree that it's not an ideal setup by any means for that situation. That said, Vanishing still has a lot of potential in many other cases, like the Voltron decks mentioned above.
April 3, 2019 4:23 p.m.
Zur the enchanter... It makes for one of the craziest decks I have ever played, and boy is it broken with this monstrosity...
S1ayerMonkey says... #2
sweet find, thanks!
April 2, 2019 10:06 p.m.