Ivy, Gleeful Thief help
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Posted on Aug. 24, 2022, 9:31 p.m. by Delphen7
Q&A is down as of me asking this
Say I control Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief, and that I cast Karn's Temporal Sundering targeting some creature and myself.
My instinct would be that Ivy does not trigger, as the spell does not only target a single creature (It includes a player). Muck Drubb's rulings seem to agree with this.
However, a WoTC employee said that Ivy would trigger as there is only one creature target
(https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1562154492069433349))
Does Ivy trigger? Also, why is Ivy's name highlighted?
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell you are right, but I can see where it's confusing. If it said "only targets a single creature" that could be read as working, but saying "that targets only a single" seems to make it not work because Karn's Temporal Sundering is never targeting only a single anything.
Also, is it just me or would Ivy be way more interesting if there was no may in her ability. Making it a double edged sword where someone can double up a Swords to Plowshares on you would make this a very fun card. As is it's just a death sentence to combat trick decks and as someone who loves combat tricks, that's super sad at 2 mana. The "may" just makes it too much of a no-brainer to hose certain strategies.
August 24, 2022 9:58 p.m.
TheOfficialCreator says... #4
Delphen7 I would assume Caerwyn moved it. I haven't seen Rhada active in some time. But it is in the right spot now. Since Dominaria United hasn't been released yet, any cards in it are still considered a spoiler.
August 25, 2022 8:21 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
I'm trying to move it but keep getting Ornithopters or 504 errors. There's a version of it in the Rules Q&A section right now that seems to have the same original post but none of these comments: link.
I almost never look at the forums so I don't see these when they happen. Yes, recently (last few months? last few years? not sure anymore) it was usually Caerwyn who would move questions posted in forum threads to Q&A, and before them I think it was usually Epochalyptik. Caerwyn doesn't seem to be as active lately and I haven't seen Epochalyptik post in a long time. There have been some stretches over the last couple years where I was much less active due to being busy with work but I've had some more spare time lately.
August 25, 2022 9:16 a.m. Edited.
I also posted this on your Rules Q&A thread, but going to post it here as well to make sure no one has any misconceptions about the card moving forward:
KTS does not work with Ivy - Matt read Karn’s incorrectly and did not realise that it also targeted the player and issued a redaction of his prior post.
August 25, 2022 1:12 p.m.
Karn's Temporal Sundering cast on myself and my Llanowar Elves will result in: me taking an extra turn and a choice to return Elves to my hand. The spell, while resolved in order of clause separated by periods targets one creature total, yes. The issue is that the spell itself doesn't "target only a single creature". Need to look at both sides of the interaction to make sure the requirements are met.
Delphen7 says... #2
Rhadamanthus Just letting you know this is in the wrong location, as you're the only user I've seen move posts between locations
August 24, 2022 9:33 p.m.