Guerric says... #1

Thanks so much for the upvote!

June 10, 2021 10:58 p.m.

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If I'm being honest the area where I know the least about what I'm doing is making a mana base and am open to feedback regarding it but honestly I don't know what you're trying to tell me. I have looked at manabases of top decks with off-color fetches and essentially copied them with slight modification. In none of those top decks have I seen this type of mana base be brought up as having the same issue. I'm definitely in line with Abzkaban's view here.

One of the advantages of this type of mana base that my deck desperately needs is mana fixing as we're trying to win with Phage the Untouchable and Body of Research . This is also why I run Chromatic Lantern . I wouldn't run a mana base this expensive unless I absolutely needed to so if you have an example of a more appropriate mana base please link it here.

June 10, 2021 2:11 p.m.

Abzkaban - I stumbled upon the following infinite combo recently: Aphetto Alchemist + Illusionist's Bracers + Fledgling Mawcor which would be possible to slot into this deck. I have yet to actually play a real game of commander and am waiting for my LGS to open back up to see what the meta is like before putting an infinite combo in. This combo would be great with Shared Summons as well. I put a section under How to Win for anyone looking for more info.

June 9, 2021 4:14 p.m.

Abzkaban - In this deck it can get Tidal Barracuda and Beast Whisperer for a draw engine as well. It has a ton of potential for sure, just haven't been able to resolve it yet and see it first hand. I like that if you get it opening hand you can be reasonably sure you're gonna get some kind of value or win going.

June 9, 2021 2:30 p.m.

Soulus101 - My experience with looking over many Kadena decks on this site is that most do not have ways to definitively win the game consistently. That is what I'm trying to bring to the table, a Kadena deck that uses her and morphs to find the cards that do the actual winning, in my own janky yet carefully considered way.

I already have three such cards, Guardian Project , Beast Whisperer (already in the deck, but thank you), and Teferi's Ageless Insight . I don't think any of the flexible black tutors can be cut with how convoluted most of the few win conditions of this deck are. I find the deck typically wins turn 8-11 (occasionally earlier, occasionally later) if left uninterrupted and the tutor package has been a large part of that consistency. Lastly, one of my favorite uses of tutors in this deck is not to find the win piece, but the piece that is going to take the draw engine to the next level. That being said, there are definitely improvements that can be made to the consistency of getting a good draw engine going and another More Cards Per Morph card should always be considered.

I worry that the 6 CMC cost of Soul of the Harvest is too high and the card won't make an impact until too late. At 6+ turns you want to be focused on deploying combo pieces and leaving the rest of your mana open for morphs. Lifecrafter's Bestiary seems like a good option, I've spent a long time considering it, but it is definitely a step down from a card like Beast Whisperer which is already in the deck and the weakest of my More Cards Per Morph cards. I feel like both need a shot being played with to really know, but also there's nothing I'm quick to cut from this list at the moment to make room for them.

Of all the tutors I might cut it may be Shared Summons . I think it has good application in this deck but the 5 CMC cost is pretty painful. I still need more time playing with it though.

June 9, 2021 1:33 p.m.

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I like the Aphetto Alchemist + Illusionists Bracers + Fledgling Mawcor combo. I haven't seen that one before, gonna have to do some thinking and see if I can possibly squeeze that into my own Kadena deck. Have you considered Body of Research to do a 2 card combo with Simic Ascendancy ?

June 5, 2021 11:34 a.m.


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