Will reanimating Biovisionary + clones with Wake the Dead win the game?
Asked by Indigoindigo 8 years ago
It might be gimmicky and only work once, but:
Graveyard has Biovisionary, Clone, Phyrexian Metamorph and Clever Impersonator. An opponent attacks me and I cast Wake the Dead to reanimate them all. Both Biovisionary and Wake the Dead say "at the beginning of the (next) end step".
What triggers first? Do I sacrifice or win?
titanreaver says... #2
Boza is correct. In case you care what the rules say here it is: 706.5. An object that enters the battlefield as a copy or thats a copy of another object becomes a copy as it enters the battlefield. It doesnt enter the battlefield, and then become a copy of that permanent
603.2b When a phase or step begins, all abilities that trigger at the beginning of that phase or step trigger
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities he or she controls on the stack in any order he or she chooses. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority
APNAP=active played non active player
Since the resolution of the Biovisionary ability states that you win the game when state based actions check the game will be over. 104.1. A game ends immediately when a player wins, when the game is a draw, or when the game is restarted
The only time this is not true and you would loose your creatures prior to the game ending is in certain multiplayer formats which use a subset of rules that alter the above mentioned rules.
October 19, 2015 6:38 p.m.
Indigoindigo says... #3
"That will not work as intended. The clones cannot enter the battlefield as a copy of biovisionary, as there is no biovisionary there for them to copy."
So I can't stack the ETB-effects so they trigger in order? If i.e. Prime Speaker Zegana and Sidisi, Brood Tyrant were reanimated, I'd have to choose if I were to draw or mill first. Can't I stack the triggers so Biovisionary enters first, then the ETB-trigger of Phyrexian Metamorph (copies Bio), etc?
October 20, 2015 4:53 a.m.
But cloning is not an etb trigger. Does Clone have "At, when or whenever" written anywhere on the card? No. Then it is not a trigger. Clone has a replacement effect that modifies how it enters the battlefield.
Boza says... Accepted answer #1
That will not work as intended. The clones cannot enter the battlefield as a copy of biovisionary, as there is no biovisionary there for them to copy.
If you had biovisionary out and 3 clones in the grave and cast Wake the Dead, the clones will be able to enter the battlefield as biovisonary copies and the ability will trigger at the end of your turn.
At the end of turn both Wake the Dead and Biovisionary trigger. You choose how those triggers resolve. If you let the biovisionary trigger resolve first (last on the stack), you will be able to win the game. If you stack the triggers the other way around:
1/24/2013: If the ability does trigger, but you don't control four or more creatures named Biovisionary when the ability tries to resolve, the ability will do nothing.
October 19, 2015 10:29 a.m.