whirlwind denial
Asked by 9-lives 2 years ago
Whirlwind Denial doesn't exactly state when the spells are countered. If an opponent already has spells on the field, are they counter-able? Or not? or does this just mean it counters every spell that has been cast the turn Whirlwind Denial is used?
Also, it says that it resolves once for each spell. Does that mean that all of the abilities and spells that are countered cumulatively count as one payment of 4 mana?
July 22, 2021 7:56 p.m.
It means that the controller of the spell has to pay for every individual effect, or it gets countered. If one opponent controls two Shock s, they can pay to have both resolve, to have one resolve and let one get countered, or nothing and let both get countered.
If two different opponents control one Shock each, both of them can either pay to have their Shock resolve or nothing to let it be countered. In this case, the opponents decide separately; one person's decision doesn't affect the other.
July 22, 2021 8:27 p.m.
Wow, thanks! That's far better than i had anticipated! [:
July 22, 2021 8:38 p.m.
RaidenShogun69 says... #5
In actual practice however, it’s unlikely a single opponent will control multiple effects on the stack before you’ve played a response. Most players will let their spells and abilities resolve before playing another
July 22, 2021 9:06 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #6
RaidenShogun69 - this is generally true of spell, but less so of abilities.
Players regularly will have multiple abilities trigger at the same time (eg they trigger on your upkeep, at your end step, or when you attack), or may also cast spells in response to their own triggers.
You'll also occassionally get into situations where a stack goes 'opponent spell, your response, opponent's response to your response, etc...'
July 22, 2021 9:28 p.m.
RaidenShogun69 says... #7
Named_Tawyny: hence why i said "before you've played a response."
July 22, 2021 11:16 p.m.
So how does this counterspell work? Can you wait until the ETB and abilities trigger and summoning and then counter them all? Usually you have to counter a creature or any spell right when it resolves, right?
July 23, 2021 6:51 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #9
Whenever a spell is cast or an ability is activated or triggered, it goes onto the stack. And as long as a spell or ability is on the stack and hasn't yet resolved, it can get countered by spell (or ability, compare Voidmage Prodigy ).
Whirlwind Denial basically says: Opponent, are you willing to pay for every object on the stack that you own?
It's a card that easier to understand when you imagine the flavour. The protagonist gets multiple spells and knives and whatnot thrown at them, but instead of getting hit, they just spin very fast, this creating a magical whirlwind that shields them from all these missiles, magical or not.
I love this in Archelos, Lagoon Mystic btw. Such flavour, much wow.
legendofa says... Accepted answer #1
An object on the field isn't a spell. At that point, it's a permanent and can't be countered.
Counterspells, including Whirlwind Denial , only affect objects that are on the stack and have not yet resolved (these are the actual "spells".)
Magic-ese is a very precise and technical language that happens to have some overlap with English. (I specify English since it's in the Comprehensive Rules--the English rules take precedence in case of mistranslation or language conflict.)
July 22, 2021 7:01 p.m.