Tayam + Time counters

Asked by phepa 3 years ago

I have Tayam, Luminous Enigma and i play let's say Ravaging Riftwurm (or any other vanishing/time counter creature). So as Ravaging Riftwurm resolves it has 2 time counters and vigilance counter. Than i use Tayam, Luminous Enigma ability and remove those 3 counters from Ravaging Riftwurm. My question is do i have to sacrifice Ravaging Riftwurm at upkeep cause there is no time counters? My guess is that i don't have to. Cause of Vanishing wording i have to sacrifice it when i remove the last counter. But if there is no time counter to remove it will remain on the battlefield. Am i right? Thank you

Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1

You have to sacrifice the Ravaging Riftwurm now.

The "When the last is removed, sacrifice it" part of the reminder text of the Vanishing ability represents a separate triggered ability that triggers when the last time counter is removed for any reason, whether it's because of the normal removal that happens during the upkeep or due to some other effect.

702.62 Vanishing

702.62a Vanishing is a keyword that represents three abilities. “Vanishing N” means “This permanent enters the battlefield with N time counters on it,” “At the beginning of your upkeep, if this permanent has a time counter on it, remove a time counter from it,” and “When the last time counter is removed from this permanent, sacrifice it.”

702.62b Vanishing without a number means “At the beginning of your upkeep, if this permanent has a time counter on it, remove a time counter from it” and “When the last time counter is removed from this permanent, sacrifice it.”

702.62c If a permanent has multiple instances of vanishing, each works separately.

September 24, 2020 1:36 p.m.