Take away the spark before the powder ignites...

Asked by maxtero 9 years ago

Situation: Opponent's turn, they play Howl of the Horde (doesn't matter if its after attack but for shits lets say its played after attacking on main phase 2), and then they play an instant/sorcery (example: Magma Jet ). Before the instant/sorcery resolves, I play a counter spell (ex: Negate ).

Additional info: according to the comprehensive rules

701.5a To counter a spell or ability means to cancel it, removing it from the stack. It doesnt resolve and none of its effects occur. A countered spell is put into its owners graveyard.

Obvious: The spell/sorcery is countered

Possible Outcomes:

  1. The instant/sorcery is successfully countered and removed from stack, not triggering Howl of the Horde. Thus additionally wasting Howl of the horde because the next Instant/sorcery is cancelled.

  2. The instant/sorcery is successfully countered but Howl of the horde triggers because the spell was cast and copied its appropriate number of times.

  3. The instant/sorcery is successfully countered and removed from stack, not triggering Howl of the Horde. But, Howl of the Horde can be triggered by the next instant/sorcery to be played because the initial trigger was removed.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1

The second answer is correct.

Howl of the Horde creates a delayed triggered ability that triggers the next time its controller casts an instant or sorcery spell this turn. That means that the DTA triggers when Magma Jet is case, and the DTA is placed onto the stack above Magma Jet . Once the ability is on the stack, it doesn't matter what happens to the spell that triggered it. Even if Magma Jet is countered, Howl of the Horde 's DTA will still resolve and copy Magma Jet .

Note also that 701.5a doesn't have anything to do with abilities that trigger when a spell is cast. It is only concerned with the on-resolution effects of a spell or ability.

October 18, 2014 4:52 a.m.

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