Question about Dualcaster Mage + TwinFlame + Veyran
Asked by Alsatio 2 years ago
This is probably a dumb question for many of you but I was wondering if the combo described in the title can be feasable or not since Veyran doubles the triggered ability.
Thanks in advance for any reply!!
Omniscience_is_life says... #2
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May 12, 2021 2:02 p.m.
plakjekaas says... #3
Veyran doesn't interfere in any way with the combo, it doubles triggers that are caused by casting an instant or sorcery. The Dualcaster Mage combo, however, happens because the Mage enters the battlefield, not because you cast the Twinflame. Panharmonicon would impact that, but Veyran doesn't change anything.
Veyran will get +2/+2 for every time you decide to copy the Twinflame though, probably reaching lethal commander damage, but that will seldom matter when you're making as many hasty copies of Dualcaster Mage as you want. It can matter though, if an opponent has somehow cast and copied Revenge of Ravens , it is better to attack with one lethal commander than with a million Dualcaster Mage copies.
May 12, 2021 2:24 p.m.
Im dumb, can someone explain the dualcaster twinflame combo? In my eyes it wont work cuz when the copied caster etb the flame will have rosolved and therefore not be a legal target to copy. What do I miss?
May 12, 2021 7:03 p.m.
@saluma:
The Dualcaster Mage + Twinflame combo gets you infinite creature tokens with haste and infinite enters the battlefield triggers.
Prep: With both cards in hand and mana available and you control any creature in play.
Steps:
Cast
Twinflame
targeting a creature you control.
With
Twinflame
on the stack, cast
Dualcaster Mage
targeting
Twinflame
.
Allow
Dualcaster Mage
's ability to resolve, copying
Twinflame
and creating a copy of
Dualcaster Mage
.
The new token copy of
Dualcaster Mage
triggers targeting the original copy of
Twinflame
, and resolves to create another token copy of
Dualcaster Mage
.
Repeat steps 2-4 to make infinite hasted token copies of Dualcaster Mage .
If you do not have anything else that wins the game when this happens, you can always attack with your endless number of mages.
Fun cards to include with this combo are Impact Tremors or similar.
The ENd.
May 13, 2021 12:39 a.m.
@user:Mcat1999 slight correction: there is no such thing as "dead before responses". Even when casting a spell with split second other players get priority (eg. can respond) after you and before the spell actually resolves, but as split second rules allow they can only activate mana abilities.
Players can interact with Dualcaster Mage + Twinflame combo at any point to stop it by say killing the dualcaster mage.
- you cast Twinflame and hold priority, then cast Dualcaster Mage
- players pass and Dualcaster Mage enters the battlefield, its trigger goes on the stack and you choose to copy Twinflame . Players again receive and pass priority here.
- Twinflame is copied putting a copy of Twinflame on the stack, which targets Dualcaster Mage . At this point you have priority but don't cast anything else, so other players get priority and can respond. An opponent cast Murder on Dualcaster Mage , which goes on top of the stack. Again starting with you priority is passed and unless you counterspell or hexproof Dualcaster Mage he will die and the copy of Twinflame will fizzle without a target.
May 15, 2021 6:51 a.m.
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Massacar says... #1
Dualcaster Mage + Twinflame is already a combo, no Veyran needed. Same thing works with Heat Shimmer
May 12, 2021 11:34 a.m.