Planeswalker flip
Asked by fdn2 8 years ago
Alright, take the new flip 'walker from SOI, Arlinn Kord Flip. If I flip her for her 0 ability, after she flips, can I activate any of her other abilities on her Arlinn, Embraced by the Moon Flip side? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.
Also, a really nooby question but, summoning sickness cares whether it was under your control during the last upkeep, right?
Alright, that's what I figured, thanks a lot, just brushing up for my first prerelease tomorrow!
April 1, 2016 1:32 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Technical nitpick: Arlinn Kord Flip transforms; it does not flip. Flip cards are cards like Bushi Tenderfoot.
606.3. A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn, but only if no player has previously activated a loyalty ability of that permanent that turn.
When a permanent transforms (or flips, for that matter), it's still the same permanent. It just has a new set of characteristics. Because you activated a loyalty ability of Arlinn Kord Flip, you can't activate a loyalty ability of Arlinn, Embraced by the Moon Flip when Arlinn Kord Flip transforms.
Otherwise, you'd be able to chain six activations off of one planeswalker. Kind of broken.
Also, please ask separate questions in separate threads. To answer your second question, though, no. Summoning sickness cares whether you controlled the permanent since the beginning of your most recent turn. This means that you must have controlled the permanent as your turn began (e.g., before you even untap anything). This is not the same as controlling something since your last upkeep.
April 1, 2016 1:35 p.m.
Thanks, I knew that flip isn't actually correct, I was just being colloquial. Alright, I'll do that next time.
April 1, 2016 1:37 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #5
It's worth nothing that summoning sickness cares if the permanent has been under your control continuously since the beginning of your last upkeep. If you lose control of it, even for a split second, it regains summoning sickness.
April 1, 2016 1:46 p.m.
Semantics: summoning sickness does not look at if the permanent has been under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, but rather if the permanent has been on the battlefield since the beginning of your last upkeep.
Example: I play a Deathmist Raptor and on your turn you activate Yasova Dragonclaws gain control ability to smack me with my own dino, then on my turn when I get my dino back it may attack as it doesn't have summoning sickness because it's been on the battlefield continuously since the beginning of my last upkeep.
April 1, 2016 1:55 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
@alulien: Incorrect. Summoning sickness cares about control. This is why most effects that allow you to steal a creature for a turn (Act of Treason) also give that creature haste.
April 1, 2016 1:56 p.m.
So, Epochalyptik, in the example I provided above you're saying I wouldn't be able to attack with my Deathmist Raptor because I haven't had control continually since my last upkeep? That directly contradicts multiple judge rulings that have been made, at my request to review the boardstate, over the course of a few FNMs in past months...
I thought Act of Treason gave haste because if I play a creature, on your next turn it's still sick so Act has to give it haste...
I'm saying that summoning sickness looks at, specifically, if the creature has been on the battlefield continuously since the beginning of its owners last upkeep, it has nothing to do with control.
April 1, 2016 2:02 p.m. Edited.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Again, that's incorrect. Summoning sickness cares whether the creature's current controller has controlled it since the beginning of his or her most recent turn.
Also, Yasova Dragonclaw's ability wears off at the end of the turn, so you'll have your Deathmist Raptor again before your next turn begins.
April 1, 2016 2:16 p.m.
Wow, shit, yea. Instead of running my mouth I should have gone to the Googles to get the scoop. It works the way I think I'm describing in the example, but not for the reasons I provided. OK, I feel a little better about it now that I've learned myself some rules. Sorry for obfuscating the discussion.
April 1, 2016 2:20 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #11
There is a bit of misunderstanding here I think.
In your scenario, when someone takes your creature with Yasova Dragonclaw, then gives it back at end of turn, your creature will not have summoning sickness in your upcoming turn because in that turn, the upkeep step becomes your last upkeep, which is why you will be able to attack with it.
Here is a scenario for you:
It is your precombat main phase and you control a Gravecrawler that you have continuously controlled since your last upkeep (which is the current turn's upkeep). An opponent has a Willbreaker and an Amoeboid Changeling.
You cast Doomblade on the Willbreaker and in response, he activated Amoeboid Changeling's ability targeting your Gravecrawler, which triggers Willbreaker.
Willbreaker resolves, gaining your opponent control of your Gravecrawler, (skip the changeling), then Doomblade resolves, killing Willbreaker, immediately giving you back your Gravecrawler.
You will not be able to attack with it this turn, because you have not continuously controlled it since the beginning of your last upkeep.
April 1, 2016 2:22 p.m.
In response to comment #3 Epochalyptik, I think there could be some confusion between Flip and Transform generated on this site alone, since when you tag a DFC like Arlinn Kord Flip it has Flip in smaller letters to let you view the other side.
Maybe this should be brought up to yeaGO to see if we can get the Flip changed to maybe DFC?
raithe000 says... Accepted answer #1
No, you can't, since it is the same permanent, just with a different name.
Summoning sickness cares whether it was under your control during your last upkeep.
April 1, 2016 1:31 p.m.