Kiki-Jiki and Populate/Doubling Tokens: What gets sacrificed?
Asked by KingofBarcelona 4 years ago
I had a question about Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and the effect of it saying "Sacrifice it at the end step." When it comes to making copies of the token you made with his tap ability. If I had, Doubling Season out, would I still sacrifice both tokens? Or just the first made by Kiki-Jiki. Would the same be true for populate on cards such as Sundering Growth ? Would you still sacrifice the token that was populated? Or would you only sacrifice the first copy and not the populated copy?
Possibly related question, how would this work for Giant Adephage in the scenario: 1. I copy it with Kiki Jijki's effect 2. Swing with Copy into an opponent and damage gets through. 3. Giant Adephage's effect goes off and copies itself.
Do both of the Adephage's get sacrificed that are not the original one?
I hope I formatted this all correctly and it wasn't too confusing but if I can offer clarity, let me know! Thank you for your time!
To explain why, this is because token copying effects can only copy the token's copiable values, which are name, mana cost, color, type line, rules text, power/toughness, loyalty, etc. The exile effect of Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is not "printed" on the token it creates, it's a part of Kiki's ability itself, so things that copy tokens made by Kiki don't have an exile clause to copy.
If you were to use Kiki to make a token of something like Spark Elemental and then populate that, the tokens would be exiled due to the rules text on the elemental.
- 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics .... The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Boza says... Accepted answer #1
Doubling Season - yes, but not Giant Adephage or Sundering growth.
The difference is doubling season modifies how the original ability of Kiki resolves. The Kiki ability has a delayed trigger ability that triggers at the next end step to sacrifice the created token. In the case of Doubling Season, it will apply to both tokens created by it.
The other two effects create copies of the token, but are not subject to the same delayed triggered ability.
Another similar card to Kiki Jiki, Flameshadow Conjuring has some helpful gatherer rulings that can shed light on the situation:
If another creature becomes or enters the battlefield as a copy of the token, that creature won’t have haste and it won’t be exiled. (2015-06-22)
September 9, 2019 7:07 a.m. Edited.