Is Kethis, the Hidden Hand + Hope of Ghirapur an Infinite Combo?
Asked by Sultai_Sir 2 years ago
With Kethis out, can I sacrifice Hope of Ghirapur to it’s own ability, use Kethis’s ability to cast it from the graveyard for free, sac it again, and keep going, or do i need another sac outlet? Thanks!
Gidgetimer says... #2
Kethis's second ability grants the ability to be cast from the graveyard to legendary cards that are in the graveyard at the time it resolves. Once Hope of Ghirapur leaves the graveyard it will be a new game object and will no longer have the ability to be cast from the graveyard. This means that the amount of times you can cast Hope of Ghirapur will be limited by the amount of times that you can exile two other legendary cards from your graveyard. The sacrifice outlet that you use will not matter.
February 13, 2022 4:58 p.m.
No, for two reasons. First is that when a card changes zones, or loses the ability Kethis gives. See the Oracle ruling on Kethis, the Hidden Hand: _ Kethis’s last ability affects only legendary cards that are in your graveyard at the time it resolves. Legendary cards put into your graveyard later in the turn won’t gain the ability. If you play a legendary card and it returns to your graveyard, it won’t have the ability anymore. (2019-07-12)_
From this, we can see that Kethis is worded so as to prevent looping.
Second is that Hope of Ghirapur's ability requires a target, specifically "target player who was dealt combat damage by Hope of Ghirapur this turn." Similarly to how cards changing zones lose the Kethis cast option, when you recast Hope of Ghirapur it is considered a new creature—critically, it's not the same creature that dealt combat damage, so no player is a legal target. You can't activate the ability without a target, so this also prevents you from looping.
However, as long as you have cards to exile to Kethis and you can keep swinging in, there's nothing stopping you from doing this once per turn and locking your opponent out of noncreature spells.
DragonWolf420 says... #1
it's only infinite if you have infinite legendary cards in your graveyard. the combo will be limited by the number of legendary cards in your graveyard. kethis only affects the legendaries that are in your graveyard as the ability resolves, and will not include new legendaries that enter the grave later. so you'd have to exile 2 legendaries each time you wanted to re-play Hope of Ghirapur
February 13, 2022 4:54 p.m.