Interaction between Valduk and Mana Echoes

Asked by CamraMaan 1 year ago

Say Valduk, Keeper of the Flame has four equipment on him and Mana Echoes is in play, when the combat phase hits and Valduk creates four creatures, do they count each other towards Mana Echoes' effect, or not? We'll say no other elementals are on the BF either. So do we get 12 colorless mana, 6 mana, or none...?

Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1

When the 4 elementals enter the battlefield, Mana Echoes will trigger 4 times, added each time, for a total of 16 mana. Keep in mind that each elemental shares a type with itself, not just the other elementals.

8/7/2020 The creature entering the battlefield shares a creature type with itself if it has any creature types, so Mana Echoes usually adds at least .

This mana will only be available in your start of combat step, so you there isn't much opportunity to use it. It'll even empty before you have a chance to pay for declare attackers step effects like Ghostly Prison.

January 9, 2021 9:53 a.m.

Polaris says... #2

Mana Echoes checks the number of relevant creatures when the effect resolves (many effects do this). Each trigger will see four Elementals in play and add 4 mana like Neotrup said. If you can somehow change this number before the triggers resolve, that will alter the mana you get. (For example, say your opponent responds to the triggers by casting Cinderclasm. All the Elementals will die before the triggers resolve, so each trigger will see 0 Elementals in play and give you no mana.)

January 9, 2021 3:11 p.m.

CamraMaan says... #3

Appreciated!!

If only Leyline Tyrant didn't specify red...

January 11, 2021 9:55 a.m.

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